big cap stewads call

[miff]

Caradoc,

Thanks, was the rear shot conclusive that TW\'s rear end set off the chain of bumping. Still thought they would shown it, but HRTV feed only showed the hed on.


Mike

[drbillym]

HRTV just interviewed Chantal and very clearly showed the right call was made.

[shanahan]

you are correct.  The alowed winner was the inside horse.

number5858 Wrote:
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> Can someone explain it to me because I was
> watching on my laptop and couldn\'t tell who the
> inside horse was that bumped hard into the middle
> horse, who then hit Setsuko? I also had bet
> Setsuko hard, so this was a tough one for me.
> Which horse was the inside horse, and which horse
> was the middle horse? Watching it live, I thought
> the inside horse was the eventual winner and
> should be taken down, but now I am not sure. I
> just didn\'t have enough screen resolution to see
> very well since it wasn\'t on TV where I am.

[shanahan]

Gary STevens is making a big play that is was the right call...so fine, I\'m over it...but why in the hell was Baffert allowed to go talk to the stewards?  Or even the damn jocks for that  matter (much less 4 times!).

Analogy - holding in football.  Ref asks the player?  not likely...

[sighthound]

>>.but why in the hell was Baffert allowed to go talk to the stewards? Or even the >>damn jocks for that matter (much less 4 times!).

Baffert said he did not talk to the stewards yesterday when they interviewed him in the winners circle.

They have to talk to the jocks.

[sighthound]

I hope that in all of this it\'s noticed that Twirling Candy tired (and nearly took down two other horses) and won\'t want the distance in the future ....

[drbillym]

TC was strangled the first half mile and that surely added to his tiring.  Let him roll and he may go the distance.

[sighthound]

The jock rated him as he probably didn\'t want to crash and burn. The horse broke a tad slow, but then ran up with his head up in the air fighting restraint all down the front side, trying to run up on heels, still wouldn\'t settle well under cover, so was taken wide down the backstretch heading into the turn.  He had his head from just before the middle of the turn, moving up freely along the outside, had all the bumping while awkwardly trying to change his lead at the top of the stretch, and said \"enough\".

Horse has to learn to rate, unless they are going to let him be a clear on-the-lead type.  And the lead change was awkward.  Sometimes all that\'s just \"young horse\" stuff that improves markedly w/experience - he\'s still just a baby - sometimes that\'s due to tiring.  Usually horses that are not tired will go on, however.  He may be a horse uncomfortable within a crowd.  He\'s ducked out before.  I\'d have to watch his works and replays.

We\'ll see next race!  They change alot in spring.  Your assessment is certainly valid, and that\'s what makes parimutual racing .

[ajkreider]

FWIW, DRF\'s Hovdey agrees with you.  Puts the blame squarely on the jockey.

Hovdey on Big Cap

[shanahan]

well, it certainly won\'t change the outcome, but Mandella is quoted in an article today calling Baffert\'s conduct in talking to the stewards \"chickenshit\", so he said something to to somebody...

[miff]

\"I didnt say she wasnt a good rider\"

Silver,

Agree, watch her every day.Also correctly stated, she\'s not even close to a \"go to\" type rider. Average at best,weak the last eighth, can win when best. Great looks and personality getting her lots of nice calls in Canada and she does very well there.As far as getting 30% more on price, you get 40% less jock than Rosario/Bejarano right now.Rosario riding in a zone, god like this meet at SA,Bejarano not far behind,both getting the best horses to ride most of the time.

On the non DQ call, a steward was on HRTV and said the vote was 2-1 to leave the result stand.It seems like the correct call. Disagree with Hovey that Chantal\'s left handed whip started it all,looks like TC was all done and brushed Game On Dude to start it all.

Mike

[Rick B.]

miff Wrote:
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> Agree, watch her every day

> Average at best, weak the last eighth...

Huh? Are you *sure* you watch her every day? Quite the contrary: she\'s one of the best finishers in the game, when she has horse.

(This \"weak late\" sentiment is something I\'ve heard repeatedly about female riders over the years, and I find it to be more stereotype than fact.)

Don\'t listen to me, though. Let\'s hear it from someone who actually knows a thing or two about race riding.

Retired U.S. Racing Hall of Fame jockey Gary Stevens said: \"She has become the queen of the longshots. She has won several photos against top jockeys, which shows she is a strong finisher.\"

And after all crap that went on in the Big Cap yesterday, Chantal found a way to get one more push out of Game On Dude, right at the wire when it counted most. Hardly what I would call \"weak the last eighth\".

[miff]

Rick,

Hardly would expect for Gary Stevens to say anything negative about any jockey or horse. Don\'t care how many lonshots shes wins with,a 4% jockey in Cali.Have seen her blow the turn on several occasions in Cali and Canada as her physical strength is not in the same area code.She\'s not even close to being a top jockey but the most beautiful by a pole.

Wanna see a top jockey (female) check out Rosie Napravnick or old films of Julie Krone.


Mike

[Flighted Iron]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anKQHZLf1GA

[Rick B.]

miff Wrote:
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> Hardly would expect for Gary Stevens to say
> anything negative about any jockey or horse.

Stevens isn\'t obligated to say *anything* about any jockey or horse, and he speaks from actual experience -- you don\'t. (Unless you are also a former jockey.)

> Don\'t care how many lonshots shes wins with, a 4% jockey in Cali.

Bad form to play games with numbers when sample sizes are small. She only has 34 starts at the meet...and with yesterday\'s win, she\'s now at 9%. Is that better?

>Have seen her blow the turn on several occasions in Cali and Canada

I\'ve seen just about *every* jock do this. As Jay Hovdey just wrote in his column on the Big Cap, \"centrifugal force is a bitch\".

> Wanna see a top jockey (female) check out Rosie
> Napravnick or old films of Julie Krone.

I\'m well aware of the abilities of both of these fine riders, and I\'m sure you remember that it took Krone awhile to gain the trust of what is arguably the most sexist trainer colony in the U.S.

Rosie N. would likely be begging for horses out there, too.

Nah, Mike, I think you\'re working off of old knowledge. Pay closer attention to her rides in the next few weeks, and we can revisit this topic. If I\'m wrong, believe me, I\'ll say so long before you call me out.