Reasons (Scientific Method)

[miff]

Street,

Once again, Steve Allday has not been banned.Dont\'know exactly what is he guilty of besides the innuendo of many who read a little something, know nothing with certainty, and post as if they do.Don\'t know that much about Steve Allday except that many prominent trainers/owners entrust some very pricey animals to his care when there is a problem.

TAP has stated his thoughts on the illegal stuff on more than one occasion.There are many people (trainers/owners) who are extremely jealous of TAP, and suggest his success is mainly the product of cheating.If that is the case, he has found a way not to get caught.A few negative 5\'s or 6\'s prove zip in the case of that barn.There are actually a few gifted animals that can run very fast without illegal drugs, regardless of who trains them.

I do know that if I was still in the horse business, had a horse in trouble, and Steve Allday had success treating it, I would INSIST that he be called in. Why not? You guys that are crusading never received training/vet/shipping bills @ $30k per month when the barn was going badly for a prolonged period.Yes, catch and banish the move up trainers but without between race vet care and maintenance meds, there would be no racing as we now know it.

The uniformed crusaders have no idea what they are wishing for.


Mike

[alm]

You are right about one thing...they are testing in NJ and TAP will race on even terms in the BC.  According to you the great barn he put together should give him a real advantage, right?

Prediction: he will do about as well as he has in the Derby.

Forgive me, but your posts on the subject change direction so often I can\'t follow your reasoning.

You are misleading readers about Mullins...maybe he\'s a bit above 10% right now, but forget that and explain his drop from 30+% to the lower range (hint: it occured right after they established the new epo testing facility in SoCal.)

[TGJB]

We need to know a lot more about the BC testing before we can say it\'s a level playing field. Like: they are pulling blood pre-race, but doing the CO2 tests on it later. How long does the CO2 stay in the blood? And, are they going to publish the CO2 tests? If they don\'t, and the threshold levels stay as they have been (37-39), alkalizing agents can still be used as long as they keep it under that level. Publishing the test results will at least cause trainers to consider the bad publicity angle.

And this is aside from other issues that have been raised, like other drugs, testing arterial blood, etc...

[miff]

TGJB,

Today I was told that epo testing will be random \"out of competition\" for all pre entrants.Shakes testing to be conducted 45 minutes before post at the detention barn.

Mike

[TGJB]

Miff-- Yeah, but as I said, that leaves questions.

[miff]

Alm,

Your prediction may be correct on TAP but he will enter more runners with a shot than any other outfit by a pole.This merely confirms the overall quality of his stable.It seems you do not agree that TAP has the top barn in the US.Lets hear your opinion on the most powerful barn racing in the US, forget doping not doping et al.


Re his derby duds,again you are unaware that Kentucky had been the MOST liberal state on drug use/testing until recently. In that former environment, one would think that TAP runners should have flourished,they did not.


Re Mullins, he\'s winning at 24% for the meet at FP and 23% for the year. He never won at 30% for an entire season(28% in 2004 from memory) and dropped to a low of 13%, not 10%, when detention barns were introduced in So Cal. His average went right back up near the 20% thereafter.My Cali racetrack friends think he\'s a crook.


Mike

[miff]

TGJB,


You have studied this more than I but don\'t you think that a guy has to pretty dumb to even try, given the spotlight and the current \"we\'ve had enough doping\"attitude now being shown at many venues.


Mike

[P.Eckhart]

Slick metrosexual trainer Turd A. Plonker injects EPO 5 times to his Irish Bred colt over a month and gets his 7% improvement.

SoCal trainer Ron Auntsally takes his Chilean bred back up into the Andes for 4 weeks high altitude enhancement boosting and returns with his 7% improvement.

Brackish bogmeister Hayden O\'Brine takes his Kentucky bred colt to Acme Inc.\'s Dublin based ODC (oxygen depletion chamber) for intensive artificial high altitude simulation therapy sessions and again returns with a 7% improvement.

Trainer Shrug McConnachie true to his name couldn\'t care less, but luckily his colt is 7% better than all colts who need 7% booster treatments.

Coincidentally, all four colts then race in a G3 Stakes route over Taffeta(tm), a novel surface derived from recycled fabric from Dancing with the Stars. Unsurprisingly the race ends in a four way dead heat.

Five weeks later, University College Kahnawake Equine Testing Lab returns the EPO positive. Predictably the beleaguered Turd A. Plonker subsequently gets disqualified, stripped, tried, jailed and finally sodomised with a rolled up Daily Racing Form wielded by an indignant Sheet playing inmate.


Oxygen schmoxygen, the poor old needle gets it in the neck again.

[richiebee]

miff Wrote:
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> Also,Mullins is NOT winning at 10% in Cali, it\'s
> higher, and New Jersey BC runners can/will be
> randomly tested for the bad stuff according to a
> ruling passed yesterday.
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> Mike

Seeing that Phil Spector will probably go free, joining Messrs. Simpson and
Blake and other well known California \"celebretrators\", the problem must be
that California in general has punishment anxiety issues. Well, at least the
Menendez Brothers were convicted, as their attorney\'s plea that they be shown
leniency because they were orphans was ignored.

Love the notion that with all this testing that is going to go on at Monmouth
we will have the most level playing field ever for a Breeder\'s Cup, an event
being held for the first time in a state which has an unmatched record for
political corruption.

NJ is right up there with Louisiana in terms of corruption. I\'ll never forget
what Billy Tauzin,a former Louisiana congressman (and cousin of the late race
rider Leroy Tauzin) said about Louisiana even before Katrina: \"Half my state is
under water, and the other half is under indictment\"

The random testing idea is always a good one, and maybe in the future a nation-
wide rule could be invoked where any runner who has competed in a graded stakes
event within the past 3 months (or any runner currently nominated for a graded
race)could be randomly tested. Since the valuable breeding stock of future
years will usually be drawn from the graded runners, increased random testing at
this level might be a start towards improvement of the breed.

[stillinger]

It made me independent. So, I know it is a motivator. I don\'t know how kids stay in school now, what with \"testing\", searches, etc. OK, I never did undertstand that, if they lived near a racetrack. I went to school in Paris for awhile and didn\'t wonder had I lived near Longchamps if I would have made the 8th grade. I will recognize heaven when I get there. kidding, of course, about the first line.

I was already independent. Way before testing. I was so independent that I always knew I was better than a fig. Then, Globalization, Events, and the next thing you know...

Humility comes late to some of us. I was last to trust outside my own \'nocs.