The Magnificent Seven in no particular order

[jbelfior]

I personally asked him (not kidding).

He answered me with this...\" you must think I\'m stupid, right\"....\" well I\'m not,\" he said.

I interpreted his response as more of a negative for NC than a positive for SUN KING.

Good Luck,
joe B.

[JimP]

Maybe Prado\'s choice was based on which owner he would rather remain in the good graces of. Not an insignificant factor for a jockey.

[MO]

Lot\'s to like about this horse. Very lucky at the draw as post 3 is one of the winningest in Derby history. Prado has the experience and in my opinion is the best rider out there. He\'s due. Horse also got down to a zero BEFORE Afleet Alex and the latter is still a 2yo. Chances are good that Sun king is circling back to his top and he\'s never been out of the superfecta.

While I think Afleet Alex is the best horse, Sun King is more likely to move forward and will save more ground than Afleet Alex whereas AA faces ground loss, the possiblity of a bounce, inexperienced jockey and underlayed odds.

I\'m gonna take the stand that only 2 horses can beat Sun King and if they don\'t fire, I\'ll collect 9-1 odds (or better?) to win.

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

It could be disasterous, but perhaps Zito has misjudged Sun King and he will be included no higher than 3rd. Maybe one small perfecta in second. The Gulfstream race though perhaps a legit Zed does not look particularly impressive in the circumstances. He couldn\'t handle Alex in the past, other than bounce theres little reason to think he can handle Alex now. He benefitted from a nice path in the Bluegrass and accomplished little. If you like very late and slow gallops out on the turns past the winners. You gotta love the Zito\'s.

[MO]

Just saw a reply of Arkansas Derby and Rose really didn\'t save anything, did he?

[NoCarolinaTony]

Nope! he was wipping to the wire.

NC Tony

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

MO wrote:

> Just saw a reply of Arkansas Derby and Rose really didn\'t save
> anything, did he?

In my opinion he was moving very well late. Despite a wide trip, inexorably gaining ground on Andromeda\'s Hero who appears to have nice late energy.

My theory on this race is not the Killer B\'s vs the field. I view this race as four horses having relatively the same top figure (-1 to -2) meeting. That view isn\'t precisely what TGraph says, but its very close in my opinion factoring bias which they note but don\'t adjust for.

Its a wing dinger and has never happened before to my knowledge. Four evenly scored negative figure horses

Whoa doggies

[miff]

CtC said,

\"My theory on this race is not the Killer B\'s vs the field. I view this race as four horses having relatively the same top figure (-1 to -2) meeting. That view isn\'t precisely what TGraph says, but its very close in my opinion factoring bias which they note but don\'t adjust for\"


If you bring all the horses with negative figs to the rail, BR lays over, all things equal.

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

My theory is the Wood collapsed some so Im not so sure of that. But if they all got to run around the track alone from the one hole for time. You might be right.

Afleet Alex went back to his right lead close to the wire is my read on it. That could be indicating that 10 marks is an issue, but he had a right to change leads on that sustained move from outside around the turn.

[Sandreadis]

Are you saying AA was on his left lead from the turn until close to the wire?
If so that\'s approaching  Arazi\'s move on his left lead in the JUV.

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

yeah i\'m pretty sure, though the legs are covered by the on screen display data for a good part of the stretch. He was on the left lead, he did change it just at the wire, but i\'ll tell you when he changed it i think.

I think he changed it when the Jock rose up in the saddle and began pumping his fist. If he sensed and changed that quick...what a marvelous little nimble horse he is.

[Sandreadis]

Running THAT final quater on his left lead is pretty amazing. Anyone thinking of tossing this horse, take a look at his BC JUV. race. This is a special horse with a lot of heart. The race sets up beautifully for him. Only question does he get 1 1/4 and nobody knows that answer.