Dr John

Hey look Mr No Nothing got lucky to start for 500 and a 60 exacta.  

Guys thanks for all the help

Mr Brown has asked me not to comment on this thread so I will not comment on Mike anymore.    Its his board Id rather be around to help everybody make money.   If you want to bash me do it privately Ill take the heat there.   As for ass....

I think Ass really went down hill when all the poly tracks were implemented.  His horses just do not run over it anywhere, ever.   I think that has as much to do with his % being down as anything else.

Im not sure I understand your question Mr Brown.   What I would recommend is you call Mike yourself Mr Brown.  Pay him a visit at trackside, see what they do over there.

What is your question on the vets?   What is \"crazy better\", the guy has had crappy horses in the derby, what 4 years in a row?  Look at the plugs hes gotten into the starting gate spotting them right.   He gets run out of everything, has since he left Wayne.  As soon as he had some shooters the guy has done nothing but win.  He didn\'t come out of a program stand at Canterbury.  This is a lifelong horseman, who any peer would say exactly what I have said.  The guy is sharp

I don\'t think there is anything funny about slandering somebodies name, Shakrah

That is exactly what I am trying to explain.  As somebody who is a self professed horse player you do not get to see the difference in the trainers firsthand.    You read the form, or you read the sheets, but you would not recognize the difference in these outfits unless you were around them.  Many of us take the word of the press, or insiders as absolute truth...It is not.   You would probably find it very hard to bet a lot of connections you currently bet if you had a first hand account of what actually took place.

Keep reading you will learn something from me if you pay attention.   Im not out of my league, you are well out of our league, sir

You aren\'t comparing apples to apples.   Id liken it more to taking Dekimbe Mutumbo out of the congo and onto the court.   Hes going to live in a hut and make 2 dollars a year in the congo, potential never realized.   Hes 7 foot tall, you bring him here, hook him up with some people who can coach and he becomes a prolific NBA shot blocker.  Dark Cove was always well meant, the talent was always there.  Shame the previous owners had to watch it develop

For the record Mcpeek did a good job with Darkcove.   He broke one off in Mike initially, but thats the luxury of having a guy like Ramsey, he was given ample time to get the horse right.  If you claimed him you would have been running back for 10k and hoping to get out.  Thats how good horses become starter eligible, money had a big advantage.

I never said anything about I know him and hes a nice guy.   I said any accusation of doping without knowing first hand is ignorant.   Its wildly inaccurate, and extremely slanderous.   The downfall of this great game isn\'t because of the trainers, its because there is not one uniform governing body, a system of checks and balances.  The afghans police themselves, you see how that works.   The NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, all have a governing body.   Horse racing should have the same.   You would think with money being bet, and integrity being of utmost importance that would be a focal point, its not and has never been.   That sir, is the reason the game is being destroyed.   Not because Mike Maker had a good Keeneland meet running well trained horses, against inferior horses and connections.  

They should all be tested.   If you tested all of them Mike would probably be 45 percent and that is no stretch

Mr Brown  

      First of all DC was trained by Mcpeek and had a major hole, he was given a lot of time because Mike knew what he was.   Prior to that you have worst turf trainer in the country who never stretched him out or had the forethought to put him on grass in Zito, and then you have Mcpeek.  So are we to assume in his seasons prior to Maker he reached his potential?  

      Also this is a horse who needs that extra distance, hes quirky, and that distance hit him square.  How many horses in the Elk were in top form.  Attfield breaks down, Ioya bigtime is a shell of his previous years form, Al Khalil is older and has lost a step.   So lets take those 3 out of the equation, who logically do you use in there?   A horse that even at the age of 6 has never been squeezed or established losers, for loser connections?  

      Mr Brown, Im not out of depth trust me.  I don\'t see how a guy who follows the game with the vigor you do cant recognize the difference in Maker, vs a Mcpeek or Zito

Phil

          I think its crazy to levy an absolute opinion on somebody without first hand knowledge of the person, or the situation.   If that makes me crazy, so be it.  Id much prefer to talk about horses, races, or claiming horses.   I know why Mikes horses move up, and its not because of EPO, or pixie dust.  Its because the guy is a true master of his craft.   Its like Lebron playing pick up hoops at the YMCA, what can the outcome be besides complete domination?

Yes I understand every aspect of this business, gambling included

Do you understand a horse going from a Darrin Miller, or a Ken Mcpeek to a guy like Maker.   Have you been in those barns, all 3, yes or no?

Mr Brown

         My fear is I \"get it\"  more than you do.   That\'s a big problem because these guys seem to think you have some superior opinion on this situation, which you do not at all.   Selling sheets does not make you a chemist,a vet, or any other designation on EPO, or doping.   I may be late to the party here, but I have an extremely valid opinion.   Im speaking from first hand experience, not trying to be a dick, just giving you the true side of the story, opposed to just making up some wild scenario, or accusation.    It is completely reckless to lead the lemmings to a judgement.      

        I understand this game well, extremely well.   I hope to stick around here a while and teach everybody a thing or two about this great game we all enjoy so much.

Mako

       I think you as the betting public are doing yourself a great disservice if you actually believe that.   If you have any idea how it works on a daily basis you would change your tune.   Why dont you claim one with him instead of betting.   You ll get the vet bill for it.   You can post it on here.   Mr Brown said he claims some, you guys can be partners.   There is a stake horse running at Calder for 25k, He just got drummed by 12.   He may be in for 16 next time he goes.   Mr Browns numbers will find him, or you can message me and Ill tell you which one he is.  We can all take a piece.

Post his numbers from all claims, its also important to post who hes claiming these horses from.   Its also crucial to know how Mike runs his program vs the guys he claims from.  

Keep in mind Mr Brown, Mr Ramsey runs them down your throat at Keeneland, and Mrs Ramsey isn\'t in great health.   That meet alone was extremely important to everybody in the barn.   Not for Mike, for his best client, and his wife.   Its not as simple as a figure...... there are so many variables.   They loaded up at GSP with the sole purpose of dominating Keeneland.  Its not just a wing ding crap shoot, those horses are prepped and pointed.   Mike is one of the few guys who can still do that, zero in on one and make sure they are ready for optimal run.   That has nothing to do with any magic potion, it has everything to do with Mike being head and shoulders above his peer group.  

I had 3 guys come to me with 3500 dollars 6 years ago.   We bought one horse, this 3 man group is still on the games money, and turned a steady profit with Mike.  Before they transitioned over they were bleeding money ready to be out of business.   Hes a small time owners dream.