Maker/Dark Cove/TG figures

sekrah · April 30, 2013, 10:19:46 AM

\"But I\'ve met Mike Maker and he is such a nice guy, he would never do that.....\"

Badride1, you don\'t know it yet but you directly on par with the Lance Armstrong apologists. Your blind loyalty is your contribution to the destruction of this game. Congratulations.

jma11473 · April 30, 2013, 10:29:59 AM

So by your logic, if a (human) sprinter goes from running the 100 meters at 10.3 seconds for 20 straight races to suddenly running a 9.7 and winning a gold medal, I have to actually be on the track racing against him to realize that something is fishy there?

Also, you keep saying how Maker is such a huge upgrade over McPeek. In 2010 when McPeek won the fall training title at Keeneland while Maker was 14th in the standings, or Spring 2011 when McPeek went 14/35 and Maker was 7/44, McPeek seemed to know a hell of a lot. Funny how suddenly this year McPeek is clueless and golly gee, ol\' Mikey Maker just HAD to improve any horse taken from McPeek. Why was it the opposite just two years ago---maybe you weren\'t in the barn then monitoring Maker\'s \"genius\"?

Badride1 · April 30, 2013, 10:30:24 AM

I never said anything about I know him and hes a nice guy. I said any accusation of doping without knowing first hand is ignorant. Its wildly inaccurate, and extremely slanderous. The downfall of this great game isn\'t because of the trainers, its because there is not one uniform governing body, a system of checks and balances. The afghans police themselves, you see how that works. The NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, all have a governing body. Horse racing should have the same. You would think with money being bet, and integrity being of utmost importance that would be a focal point, its not and has never been. That sir, is the reason the game is being destroyed. Not because Mike Maker had a good Keeneland meet running well trained horses, against inferior horses and connections.

They should all be tested. If you tested all of them Mike would probably be 45 percent and that is no stretch

sekrah · April 30, 2013, 10:33:31 AM

> Not because Mike Maker had a good Keeneland meet
> running well trained horses, against inferior
> horses and connections.

^^^ You still have absolutely NO CLUE what the hell we\'re talking about. You better quit now because you are a hysterically out of your league on this subject.

>
> They should all be tested. If you tested all of
> them Mike would probably be 45 percent and that is
> no stretch

LOL. Only until his secret Oats recipe gets out.

Badride1 · April 30, 2013, 10:38:53 AM

You aren\'t comparing apples to apples. Id liken it more to taking Dekimbe Mutumbo out of the congo and onto the court. Hes going to live in a hut and make 2 dollars a year in the congo, potential never realized. Hes 7 foot tall, you bring him here, hook him up with some people who can coach and he becomes a prolific NBA shot blocker. Dark Cove was always well meant, the talent was always there. Shame the previous owners had to watch it develop

For the record Mcpeek did a good job with Darkcove. He broke one off in Mike initially, but thats the luxury of having a guy like Ramsey, he was given ample time to get the horse right. If you claimed him you would have been running back for 10k and hoping to get out. Thats how good horses become starter eligible, money had a big advantage.

Badride1 · April 30, 2013, 10:39:40 AM

Keep reading you will learn something from me if you pay attention. Im not out of my league, you are well out of our league, sir

TreadHead · April 30, 2013, 10:41:31 AM

With a few exceptions on the board here, I don\'t think TGJB, myself, or most others have said anything slanderous at all and have not outright said he is using illegal drugs.

What we have said is, from a pure function of data analysis, that his recent performance on TG figures is WILDLY out of line with both his own personal history and the history of any other trainer I can remember over such a large sample size. There may be other examples that someone could find with some more research, but it is factual to say that the data shown on TG sheets for this trainer is highly unusual and based on that fact, it is not an unreasonable opinion to say it is deserving of discussion/explanation.

Others have taken that point and outright accused of drugs, I\'m not doing that without proof, but will say that the horsesht explanations you and others have attempted to provide here have not adequately answered the question yet of \"why/how\" this is happening, and as a horseplayer, I would like to know more about it.

Badride1 · April 30, 2013, 10:50:44 AM

That is exactly what I am trying to explain. As somebody who is a self professed horse player you do not get to see the difference in the trainers firsthand. You read the form, or you read the sheets, but you would not recognize the difference in these outfits unless you were around them. Many of us take the word of the press, or insiders as absolute truth...It is not. You would probably find it very hard to bet a lot of connections you currently bet if you had a first hand account of what actually took place.

TreadHead · April 30, 2013, 10:53:37 AM

This ridiculous point has already been addressed. Maker has played second fiddle to many of the trainers you are bad-mouthing here during previous meets. If the point were at all relevant, he would have been better than these guys consistently.

TGJB · April 30, 2013, 10:54:11 AM

And Maker got crazy better since 2011, and McPeek got much worse. Got it.

Okay, that\'s enough. You\'re filling a serious board with nonsense, stop posting on this subject. But before you go please answer my questions about the vets. Nothing to hide, right?

sekrah · April 30, 2013, 10:56:23 AM

You are a joke, defending another joke. It\'s pathetic watching really.

Badride1 · April 30, 2013, 11:00:48 AM

I don\'t think there is anything funny about slandering somebodies name, Shakrah

Badride1 · April 30, 2013, 11:03:39 AM

Im not sure I understand your question Mr Brown. What I would recommend is you call Mike yourself Mr Brown. Pay him a visit at trackside, see what they do over there.

What is your question on the vets? What is \"crazy better\", the guy has had crappy horses in the derby, what 4 years in a row? Look at the plugs hes gotten into the starting gate spotting them right. He gets run out of everything, has since he left Wayne. As soon as he had some shooters the guy has done nothing but win. He didn\'t come out of a program stand at Canterbury. This is a lifelong horseman, who any peer would say exactly what I have said. The guy is sharp

touchgold · April 30, 2013, 11:09:01 AM

why dont you call him and express your man crush.....like all these guys they stay hot until they get busted...then it gets sporadic.....so, assmussen was a genius a few years back? and now hes clueless? I believe he is a lifetime horsemen too, right?

Badride1 · April 30, 2013, 11:11:51 AM

Mr Brown has asked me not to comment on this thread so I will not comment on Mike anymore. Its his board Id rather be around to help everybody make money. If you want to bash me do it privately Ill take the heat there. As for ass....

I think Ass really went down hill when all the poly tracks were implemented. His horses just do not run over it anywhere, ever. I think that has as much to do with his % being down as anything else.