Jerry,
You are a magnificent HOST.

When you get a minute, would you have some one ask Osama bin Laden to call my family phone, and leave me an indication as to whether or not I can persuade him to listen to me for 3 minutes, max. I would appreciate that - be in the City in January, w/mymother, visiting old friends.

OUr families came together, and what are the odds?

you make figures,
sos you tell me.

And then start rounding up my 25MM in cash. I would pay that just to talk to him for 2 minutes.

Thank you, sir,
You have been very indulgent,
and I won\'t forget.

skip Stillinger

PS: I might have to borrow the money,
but someone might be interested in this BOOKMAKER.

Clear

The Game is over. One way is clear. 1dubai gets the horses they want.2theyarethem

I can\'t be off topic here, because there isn\'t one - my son is across the street in jail, here in Modoc county, and my wife had his illegitimate child 120 days old in here yesterday, and he is gorgeous, a bleeder. And he is BEAUTIFUL, the only biological grandchild I have. I will try to group this under BLOOD but really it\'s under, thanks for listening. DAMN, PERSPECTIVE.

You look out the office window, see the Sheriffs going in and out,and of course you gotta put in on the trainer. Folks been nice about it here. And no I didn\'t shoot him, the Sheriff, I mean. kiddin there.

skip

miff Wrote:
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> Poor Chuck, drank too much Kool Aide. What was LR
> choppped liver when Holthius had him at 3? Enough
> about TAP who\'s stable is probably achieving at
> par, all things considered.
>
>
> Based on your inane theory what possibly could
> account for Midnight Lute running a pair of neg
> 7\'s no less. Don\'t tell me it was the 3 epi/throat
> operations either.Baffy\'s now a move up guy?
>
> Mike

He was loaded for bear, wasn\'t he, that Lute. wow

Doc - Sorry to bother, I know you are busy, and I never stay on topic here, but could you sneak in a clarification of this URL? I don\'t see where to go to get the audio of DR. Allday\'s STREAM of consciousness disclosure about Tricky. And he is good. skip, havin\' a Sunny Sunday here in the West, just need the link.

The Germans are right on THIS breeding thing. Said no to drugs.
Breeders were better stewards of our horses than so far their current owners have been. Notice who owns the horses that are not for sale?
skip

slewzapper Wrote:
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> 2) \"Frogie\"(sp) is an offensive slur for saying
> \"french\". What does his country of origin have to
> do with any of this? What would you have posted if
> he was African-American? Italian? Chinese?
>
> Is this forum moderated?
I am in harmony with this objection; if nothing else, I lived there.
That makes it seem more than it is, but it seems over the top of our
image.
skip

JimP Wrote:
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> Ok, I posted this and went away to my real life,
> expecting to come back in 24 hours and read all
> kinds of interesting conclusions and observations.
> But alas, there seems to be a dearth of responses.
> Does that mean that no one,other than me and
> girly, finds this stuff interesting?
>
> Girly, mentioned \"bounce\". And that is one thing I
> was thinking about as I assembled the data. Since
> I don\'t know what figures TG assigned to the BC
> runners, I can\'t say whether any of these win,
> place, and show horses \"bounced\". Maybe they
> \"bounced\" and still managed to win or hit the
> board. Or maybe they didn\'t bounce. Irrespective
> of the \"bounce\" possibility, it appears that
> improvement between the last two races before the
> BC was a strong indicator of an impending good
> performance in the BC. And it appears that even if
> the last race was a \"new top\" or a \"paired top\"
> there was no negative indication for the coming
> performance. At least that is how I read it
> regarding the finish position performance. Maybe
> someone at TG can tell us whether these winners
> \"bounced\". All I can see is that they won at a
> very high rate. This time. And I can see that the
> win rate was strongly correlated to the
> performance in their last race prior to the BC.  
>
> I was expecting someone might mention ROI, since
> all I mentioned in my post was Win Impact Value. I
> also looked at the ROI on these factors, but
> decided that I would exclude that analysis from
> the post for the sake of simplicity.

I would like to say something interesting but this sounds complicated.
I make no conculsions, just stay open and play.

girly Wrote:
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> yeah, but I live in upstate NY and the only time I
> go is during Saratoga summer. But then, Saratoga
> is one of the most beautiful tracks in the country
> or so I hear-
Girly-
Tell me you at least watch recorded reruns every day.
If you do, the sheets will present a picture that is crystal.
And with that feminine intuition !! Good God.
Notice the boys start thinkin\' about Dom, and whiz, and hookers!!
They might be distracted. I wanted to move to Saratoga Springs,
but when I was on vacation, my wife bought a new house, so not for
a while, I guess
skip

girly Wrote:
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I tend to win when I just
> like a horse, but intuition is helped mightily by
> knowledge.
Girly,
I am going to be presumptuous and ask you to remember that I told you this would happen if you just followed along. Makes it like Multiple Choice, doesn\'t it? And you can always pick, other.
skip
Good advice you got about going to the track if and when you can, as well.

cubfan0316 Wrote:
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> no need,pretty good anly.

I would just like to second this.

And list my favorite recent horses and how it applies to this past week end for me. A lot of the bad taste in my mouth after Friday was child of my thinking that the most impressive horses lately have been for me, Ghostzapper, Rags to Riches, Bernardini, Henny Huges, Discreet Cat and Lady Traviata. I also knew her ace was that she ordinarily breaks real sharply, and then takes a breath, which in most cases is excellent, and that the horse inside might make that impossible, but I got off Maryfield who I had solid the night before for that reason, and then when it got time to get down, I had to bet my baby - an example of how NOT to use the sheets.

I have shown my replays of Discreet Cat to casual visitors and to the family way too often. So, I missed a good spot, and lost a parlay. (At least I didn\'t bet twice). Sunday, I was afraid of the soft turf and let two favorite turfers go, and they were impressive. I did \"wake up\" in time to move to Curlin; the only bet I made, on the fact I had been touting how soft it was, and then remembering I said in the Spring, he\'s the BEST one.

I thought the analysis was excellent and I have listened to all of them. When it falls just right, so be it. In between, it\'s nice to be so close. I knew Ginger Punch was a great call because she would rate and finish as she proved this year, and Lute had proven how you needed to be, but that position scared me, and it did make it hard, I think.

I think the product stood right up. I was a little weak. Even for me. AQU!
skip

magicnight Wrote:
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> Don\'t they have horse parks or freakin\' retirement
> homes over there? He should not have been thrown
> to the wolves like this. It\'s a disgrace.
>
> Bob

On a very serious note, I stand ready to do anything cooperative
in order to contribute to a or as the French say, plusieurs(several), horse
\"retirement\" homes. I would love to combine that with homes/ranches
for autistic children, which is why I don\'t just send money, that and
I would need some more. That can happen any day.

TGJB Wrote:
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 We have done things where we gave product to the top
> ten in some handicapping contests, etc.

I would never in a million years win a contest,
but I think this is a very worthwhile prize. Or
something like it. Then again, I feel pretty good
after taking a vacation, so I wouldn\'t let any contest
go uncontested; I would learn something. And we know how
important that is in this our game.
skip

NoCarolinaTony Wrote:
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> Great Points Mike....
>
> I am in complete agreement. You couldn\'t say it
> any better. I\'ve had a conversation with jerry
> about this up at the SPA last year on the subject,
> and those sounded like his words. yesteryears you
> could find an overlay play once a day couple times
> a week, now it may be couple times a month if
> your\'re lucky.
>
> The best plays now are when Beyers are overstated
> vis a vis TG Figs.
>
> NC Tony
You guys have stated it better than I did.
Agreement with those that say it is just a tool (and now you need a full bag of same) doesn\'t keep me from looking at diminishing value any way except ruefully (is that a word?). The  product is exactly as Vic stated,  a career in a picture. Since that is exactly my experience, I had to overcome even more than the usual \"twinge\". And if anyone asked me in under truth serum, I would say I was an opportunist, as opposed to a handicapper, but those OPPORTUNITIES are in need of all my for DI discipline to capture, and then hold that ground. All of which reminds me of something I was saying to girly more than a month ago, I think.