Fanduel personalities mention using the Thorograph sheets several times a day. It would seem as a deal with them would be obvious but I know there\'s a lot more that goes into it.

Really interesting seminar from Vic this week. Listening to his picks reminded me of why this game is so tough. 2 people using same info coming up with totally different horses.  I respect Vic and know he\'s won some big tourneys but man what I thought I knew about sheet theory is totally out the door according to his analysis. First, the bounce theory. I hate gappy horses who are running back off big tops. And I do not play dirt horses to run those big races on grass. Today will be a learning experience for me no matter the outcome.

Remember the last BC at Del Mar featured a dead rail where outside posts were better. Lots to play out. Supposedly its all about the tides.

As was the case with Jerry Hollendorfer, it doesn\'t seem these tracks are taking these actions based on a single infraction.

They likely know way more than we do..and are doing things based on what was likely going on for years.

Hopefully it all comes out one day in black and white so we don\'t have to assume but this is clearly not just about Baffert\'s derby positive. And to assert that it is just seems silly to me.

At 2-1 or less I think you\'re supposed to try to beat Super Stock. The last time he ran a big number...it took him 4 months to get back to it. Why are you so sure he won\'t react again? There are several others with forward moving lines that interest me a whole lot more.

Arguing the penalty against Mejia is too harsh is one of the worst takes I\'ve seen on this board maybe ever.

Very interesting exchange unveiled by TDN who published new wiretapped convos between Servis and Navarro. Didn\'t Baffert horses test positive for Dex and then have a convenient story about a rash?


Servis: It will probably come up with [dexamethasone] probably, right?

Rhein: Yeah, that\'s it. It will be dex. It will be dex. It will be likeâ€"that\'s it. And I\'ve had them, I had them pull some stuff, and I was like, “Oh, [expletive], I wonder what will happen?” Nothing. Nothing. I mean and the guy said SGF doesn\'t even test close, thank god. But the only thing will be the AZM and you can just say he was like hives or something, but…

Servis: Because you\'re allowed to have that anyways. Dex, I mean.

These horses never stay sound.

But you do have that list of 10 suspect trainers......It would be amazing if that somehow made its way into the public domain. I\'m sure most regular players could name almost all of them.

Shanahan,

Congrats on the win. Would love to hear how you came to use the winner in the last. Or did you just go all? That result really miffed me....and as the slowest horse in the race, probably most TG users.

AP

Curious as to why you see this pattern as \"screaming new top.\" I see a horse who was poised to run through his top 4 times and never did. Not a good sign in my opinion. These sheets are all about interpretation which makes handicapping so tough! Good luck!

I thought the same thing! You could never have used that horse using TG. Everybody wants to win on Derby Day. Remember Masochistic in 2014? I still can\'t believe A.C. Avila is still allowed to train horses after that disgusting incident.

https://www.paulickreport.com/news/ray-s-paddock/california-stewards-investigate-race-ride-barn-of-churchill-maiden-winner/

That\'s a very \"non-thorograph\"response. This is a TG board. You can handicap class all you want but using sheet\'s they aren\'t that different. Helium was ridiculously wide last out. With that said I understand where you are coming from and know many will use the class angle to dismiss him. The class angle will land you on the 3 favorites. In a 20 horse field, i\'m looking for value.

What\'s the big difference between Helium and Rock Your World? Only one of them has 2yo foundation and he will be 5x the price. I was super impressed by his Tampa Bay Derby. If you haven\'t watched it you should. When do you see a horse win a graded race being that wide the whole way and re-break in the stretch? My one concern is kickback but at the price i\'m willing to take the chance.

Curious how some of the TG guys are interpreting the huge figs some horses got on Southwest day at OP. Crazy fast figures for some out of nowhere aided by huge ground loss which seemed to be the best part of track. I will still play them to bounce.