At the Jockey Club roundtable,  a very interesting presentation.

 Starts at around the 53 min mark.

http://jockeyclub.com/default.asp?section=RT&year=2015&area=99

miff: Gotta make more room on the Bowery for the future \"stat\" horse racing bettors.

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Yup . . . you aren\'t wholly familiar with the game\'s personalities and their personal predelictions and quirks, you have NO shot.  None.  Zero.

miff: Top,

Stat players would argue that quirks/predilections are inside the stats


Mike

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They might . . . which would just be one more reason while many of them will be taking their overnight rests atop the grates fronting the restaurant-supply stores hard by Chinatown.

TGJB: Don\'t know what kind of stats they\'re talking about, but there are also the kind we published for the second at Saratoga...

Old Mr. Boston: Jerry Brown, Master of the ABC....Always Be Selling.   Well done sir!

Boscar Obarra: I\'ll gently remind that 40 years ago they mocked sheet players as practitioners of voodoo or worse.

 Until they picked the pockets of the mockers.

miff: Difference between 40 years ago and now is there was almost no sophisticated data back then,today it\'s all over the place.

Incidentally, before the sheets there was a small group who \"knew\" stuff almost no one else did.They did well vs the average horse player.

TGJB: A certain occasional poster here I believe was the first to publish trainer stats.

Re \"selling\", the hell I do. The subject came up 10 minutes after a first timer won that was trained by a guy who was 3 for 8 with first timers in maiden claimers (2 others in the money), with a $4.85 ROI. This one by a 19% first out sire. Jockey trainer combo 32% with a $4.12 ROI.

Having said that, I agree that stats are a blunt instrument. It\'s just as wrong to apply them to all situations as it is to discount them completely (Friedman\'s position).