sekrah: I don\'t disagree with that. A pair and good trip gets him into the back of the super/tri, but the topic was about further development, and he\'s probably done for a little while.

Since he\'s extremely unlikely to move forward, to win he needs to pair and have the few that are faster to falter, and the few with better looking lines not move forward.  I seen an offshore book with him at 70-1. That\'s a good price for the 5th fastest horse in the race. Could be a nice boost to the verticals.

tommydw2000: I like materiality, his TG numbers are good, his WO. are good and if you believe in dosage he fits. But what I can not get over is his lack of 2 year old racing. I know rules are meant to be broken and this rule is bound to be broken sooner or later but does he have the class/breeding to be the first horse to win the Derby without having raced as a 2 year old. I will leave it up to the experts to determine if he is to be that horse.

jp702006: If he were your horse, would you be running him in the Derby?

TGJB: I would wait for the Preakness, but I don\'t feel about the Derby like most people. Extra 2 weeks after the top, much easier spot. I don\'t believe in running in the Derby unless you have a really big shot-- very tough race to win, and takes a toll.

jp702006: Thanks for the insight.