Jerry Brown's Op-Ed piece regarding Lasix and Racing

[nicely nicely]

http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/shared_content.cfm?id=934

[miff]

Hopefully the Clueless Clowns will be enlightened as to the opinion of a majority of those betting the money.

[vired]

great op=ed jb. hope someone pays attention. ed

[P-Dub]

Wow.  That was good.

[Mall]

As I see it, one of the most disturbing trends over the last decade or so has been the way experts in one subject, as well many others who are not experts in any subject, are willing to make authoritative sounding pronouncements on issues they know very little or nothing about, without doing even basic research. On this issue at least, now there's information and an opinion from someone who actually is an expert on the subject. Well done TGJB.

I'm not up to date on the nasal strip issue, but I do remember the long fight necessary before the industry finally gave in and disclosed whether a horse was running on Lasix, after taking (for almost two years, if memory serves) the bizarre position that such disclosure would only "confuse" bettors. At first glance, the issues certainly seem similar to someone who believes as a basic proposition in both full disclosure and that players are more than capable of deciding whether and how to use whatever information is disclosed.

Finally, perhaps you can correct me if I'm wrong hooper, but my understanding is that in Europe and most other non-lasix countries, horses can and regularly do train on Lasix, and that the only difference between us and them is that horses there cannot race on Lasix, which typically means it can't be administered within something like 72 hours of a race.

[hooper]

Correct,Mall. Interesting piece about some trainers in France. http://therail.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/30/race-day-medication-the-view-from-overseas/
I've had horses that bled in competition and were given mandatory 90 days on the sideline.

[Beau]

Great piece Jerry!

Thanks for writing this!!

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http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/shared_content.cfm?id=951

[TGJB]

Sue Finley advises me that so far the response has been 100% against Irwin\'s viewpoint. She got two letters from familiar posters here, I think she\'s going to run both.

My own response will come in a couple of days.

[miff]

Irwin a transparent phony trying to align himself with the elitist breeder/owner who believe gamblers should not have a seat at the table.

[johnnym]

It is a business first,how blind can one be?

[Topcat]

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In this spat, Doc Bramlage is out of line -- and out of touch.

[Otis Bones]

Racing in Hong Kong is already viewed as having integrity whereas racing in the US is not.  If want to build integrity here, don\'t focus first on legal meds with therapeutic value such as Lasix and steroids that get press but do little to address integrity.  A better start would be a consistent medication policy from venue to venue, consistent enforcement of penalties, out of competition testing, a central governing body that enforces the standards of the game rather than cover up violations not to mention better treatment of horses before, during and after their racing careers.  And last I checked, Mr. Irwin also derives his revenue from the \'business\' of racing.

[Silver Charm]

Barry used to post here periodically and has been consistent with his position. Clean up the medication problem like Hong Kong and the whales will pile in to the Pools.

Interesting how he referenced Jerry as being set in his ways and an in-your-face guy! I logged in one evening to fine this message below in my In-Box. We kissed and made up, I sent him my cell # etc and when I bump in on the rare occasion say hello. I actually joked that I didn\'t realize I was being taken that seriously but nonetheless stood by what I had said.....whatever that was. He responded by saying Pletcher was the cleanest Trainer in the Sport....ahhhhh ok. But Barry is a good guy and has a passion. He also sells a racing product.

Wise Up

From: Barry Irwin

To: Silver Charm  

Date: 04/13/2008 06:06PM


You are demeaning yourself with your persistent irresponsible attitude. You have absolutely no f----ing idea what you are writing about. I know you like doing this @#$%& to see what type of reaction you get, but you are doing the sport and yourself no favors.

[Flighted Iron]

found it patronizing and condescending. OH yeah, lose the sunglasses.