bigbeaz: People at my work that don\'t follow horse racing but know I do have been asking about the nasal strip issue. That\'s not what we want the casual Joe to be talking about. So silly!

jerry: Are front bandages a performance enhancer? How about blinkers, tongue ties, shadow rolls and toe grabs? I think you\'re putting nasal strips in the wrong category.

jerry: Good. Hopefully not as an exemption but as a rule change.

alydar61: May 19, 2014
JOINT STATEMENT FROM THE NEW YORK STATE GAMING COMMISSION,NYRA AND THE JOCKEY CLUB REGARDING THE USE OF NASAL STRIPS

The three Stewards at Belmont Park today unanimously agreed to allow the use of equine nasal strips for all horses running at racetracks of The New York Racing Association, Inc (NYRA), effective immediately.
 

http://www.gaming.ny.gov/pdf/05.19.14.StewardsNasalStripsDecision.pdf

Acesover: if it\'s a rule change fine if it\'s an exemption that\'s garbage

TGJB: It\'s garbage either way, because there\'s only one horse in the world they would have changed the rule for.

If the quasi-public info is correct, CC was \"nose strip on\" starting in December. That race was at Hollywood, and not on dirt, so the improvement can\'t be attached to surface (and in fact he had just run a 12 on dirt at Santa Anita on BC weekend). He made a HUGE jump to a 1, and hasn\'t gone back since. It\'s a lot more than \"5-6 lengths\".

Most of the PED\'s these days (EPO, Clenbuterol etc.) work on the basis of getting more oxygen into the system. If it\'s not a performance enhancer, try it without it, Cinderella. Or just explain why the hell you\'re wearing one.

P-Dub: TGJB Wrote:
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> It\'s garbage either way, because there\'s only one
> horse in the world they would have changed the
> rule for.
>
> If the quasi-public info is correct, that CC was
> \"nose strip on\" starting in December, that race
> was at Hollywood, and not on dirt, so the
> improvement can\'t be attached to surface (and in
> fact he had just run a 12 on dirt at Santa Anita
> on BC weekend). He made a HUGE jump to a 1, and
> hasn\'t gone back since. It\'s a lot more than \"5-6
> lengths\".
>
> Most of the PED\'s these days (EPO, Clenbuterol
> etc.) work on the basis of getting more oxygen
> into the system. If it\'s not a performance
> enhancer, try it without it, Cinderella. Or just
> explain why the hell you\'re wearing one.

If its a performance enhancer, then why don\'t all horses wear them??

TGJB: For the same reasons people don\'t all use the other ones. And because in NY there\'s a rule.

But many will now. Which will create even more variables for handicappers, and unknowns-- except to insiders. The opposite of transparency.

P-Dub: TGJB Wrote:
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> For the same reasons people don\'t all use the
> other ones. And because in NY there\'s a rule.
>
> But many will now. Which will create even more
> variables for handicappers, and unknowns-- except
> to insiders. The opposite of transparency.


Have you seen jump ups on other horses that added nasal strips?? Just asking.

Or is that difficult to find due to figuring out when a horse may have started using them.

KK4510: It looks like this is going to be a rule change.  It would be a good time to start documenting the effectiveness of nasal strips. I wonder if there plans to list this as an equipment change in the DRF or program info.

bigbeaz: Drawing an analogy. When I bet on football games I want to know whether my RB is changing to the dark visor, what cleats my team is wearing, whether my OL are wearing those transformer knee braces or not, whether my QB is wearing a pad for his lower back, whether my WR is trying some new gloves that work well in cold weather. I\'d also like to know if they were out partying the night before, how well they slept and if they had a bowel movement or not. If yes, was it loose or firm. All relevant but I think FULL transparency may be information overload.

P-Dub: bigbeaz Wrote:
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> Drawing an analogy. When I bet on football games I
> want to know whether my RB is changing to the dark
> visor, what cleats my team is wearing, whether my
> OL are wearing those transformer knee braces or
> not, whether my QB is wearing a pad for his lower
> back, whether my WR is trying some new gloves that
> work well in cold weather. I\'d also like to know
> if they were out partying the night before, how
> well they slept and if they had a bowel movement
> or not. If yes, was it loose or firm. All relevant
> but I think FULL transparency may be information
> overload.

If it was loose, I just bet the Under.  Hits at 62.38 %

TGJB: If the info is available we don\'t have it.

jerry: If it\'s a performance enhancer, it seems like a pretty safe one and if it\'s that good, why don\'t more trainers use them? Agree with full disclosure of equipment.

magicnight: Earlier in this string someone posted a link to a DRF story from a couple years ago. Equibase stopped reporting the information because only about one-quarter of the tracks were supplying the data. Think the article said only about 1.6% of all horses were using them.