Mike Smith sticks with Hopportunity over Intense Holiday

[TreadHead]

So it\'s OK to completely change the meaning of what someone said and re-post it to try to make them look like an idiot, but not OK to call someone out for doing that?

[TGJB]

You can call people out. Stop calling people names.

[BitPlayer]

DRF says Rosario is going to ride General a Rod.

[TGJB]

In a 20 horse field I might just have lost 4 lengths vs Castellano.

[louisvilleguy1111]

lol after the strangler gets down you think only 4 lengths?? lol

[big18741]

Derby rides for Rosario

2013 3w5w much the best from 16 post
2012 3w5w from an 8 post
2011 3w5w from a 2 post
2010 3w4w from a 9 post

[miff]

\"In a 20 horse field I might just have lost 4 lengths vs Castellano\"


...Errr, you may want to check your own jockey path data, which I find comical by the way.

[jimbo66]

Louisville

Not sure about who is going to win the derby but u are odds on for most nonsensical posts between now and then

California chrome can\'t win because he is a cal bred.  And now two times the even less accurate \"Rosario strangles horses\"

Rosario goes 4 wide.  Yep.  Rosario takes back horses with natural speed.  Nope.

How about instead of posting it a 3rd time u actually look to find an example of it.  

This is usually a fairly serious broad with insights and not nonsense.

[TGJB]

The \"broad\"(nice typo) is different this time of year, you know that. Just wait.

[FrankD.]

Makes me miss Ramon !

[louisvilleguy1111]

For you to think Joel is a gate jock that sends is all I need to know about your opinions...
When Joel makes the front he has been pulled to the lead trust me why you think he moved his tack to the east coast and started cleaning up?? Cause the same reason the frenchmen got it handed to him in CA... CA = SPEED and Rosario is not a speed jock simple as that.
Doesn\'t mean he can\'t win on the front end it means where his skills improve horses and move them up is on closers not front runners.
As for CC I would NEVER and I mean NEVER bet CC in the KY Derby for multiple reasons based on his PP\'s and numbers, and him being bred in CA is just another reason I threw out there. Now thanks for playing along... bet all you want on CC and when he hits the 1/8 pole and is looking for that oxygen mask or a place to go and lay down kindly discard your tickets to the ground and go to the next race.

[jimbo66]

Louisville

I am going to give u the benefit of the doubt. Maybe u are a young boy learning the game.....

Yes, Rosario got run out of California and fled east because he can\'t get horses out of the gate.  Don\'t let the fact that he was top guy in California before he came east get in the way of your theory.  

Incredulous.  Rosario is like Frenchie.  Yes.  A real lack of aggression.

Please continue to be part of the betting pools....  

Thanks in advance for that

[ajkreider]

I will probably play against CC for value reasons (and a pool 3 play to cover losses if he beats me).  But I really don\'t get the \"can\'t get the distance\" stuff.

The SA Derby\'s final 3/8ths might have been the fastest run in the history of the race (on dirt).  Quicker than AP Indy, quicker than Point Given, quicker than I\'ll Have Another.  And he did it being walked across the line, farther ahead of the rest of the pack than these others who could obviously get the distance.

Not saying he is those of course, but this has nothing to do with how the race looked. Everything about his last suggests he won\'t be lying down at the 1/8th pole.

[P-Dub]

Tread,
You would lose the name calling contest too.

[P-Dub]

TreadHead Wrote:
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> P-Dub, you are mentally challenged, I\'m really not
> sure how else to state it.
>
> I NEVER, in any shape or form, said that all
> horses who race in California and have success
> can\'t have success away from California.  I very
> clearly stated that there are 2 buckets of horses,
> one where surface doesn\'t matter, and another, of
> which there are several examples, where
> exceptional performances on glib surfaces aren\'t
> fully duplicated on fairer tracks.
>
> I also openly stated there is no data to show us
> what CC is going to do and anyone speculating that
> he will take to it fine (you) or won\'t take to it
> as well (me) is doing little more than making a
> guess at this point.
>
> I would ask you to fully read and comprehend my
> discussion points before throwing up arguments
> against strawmans that have completely twisted and
> changed the original meanings of my words, but it
> seems pretty apparent that you clearly just enjoy
> arguing, even if you are arguing against yourself
> with a strawman you made up.


You were very clear in stating new dirt vs old dirt. In between your usual snide comments, you specifically stated the horses I mentioned didn\'t count.

So in fact you used a 3 yr old data base to make your claims.

JB and others disagreed with you, explained in very clear terms why. Unfortunately, as you have shown with yet another insult, you are a little too emotionally attached to your point of view.

That being the case, we will just have to agree to disagree. Have a wonderful day sir.