Oaklawn and The New Orleans

I don\'t think there\'s too much to be learned by this result. Not only was the race roughly run on the first turn, pretty much no one made a move at any point.  Peace Rules got loose on the lead and the top 4 went 1,2,3 and 4 around the track.

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

Yes, the Fairgrounds can play to front end horses. It has at times during the last couple years. If you played the speed you probably came out alright.

Saint Liam winning wasn\'t critical for me, but I understand that some are upset with the inquiry, I didn\'t have a great view of the race so I can\'t really comment on it, other than the principals involved aren\'t bent out of shape over it. (Prado was upset. The view of the replay I saw was ambiguous. I\'ve been the victim of both no calls and horrendous calls by the stewards. All you can say is the track helped Peace Rules but with the Five pounds you\'d think Saint Liam could have gone by clean. I do think speed carried very well by that race)

I checked the Red Board, Funny and Liam were even stronger plays than I imagined on T-Graph. The figs I had did not have them scored as well. T-Graph dominated my source on this race. If I was using T-Graph I\'d might be partying til next weekend.
 
Ten Most Wanted took some bumps again and the way the track was playing, with his post factored, the set up was not ideal for him. Neither was the fact his big number was at 10 marks. But, I get the distinct impression that he really doesn\'t like to be bumped. Caveat: His Travers score. But there are horses if you bump em around a little it takes the heart out of them and I think Ten is certainly in that Ballpark. I think Wally Dollase has a vivid imagination too.


Wally, how did you treat Ten for his vertebra problem?

lol

CtC



Post Edited (03-01-04 06:11)

[Silver Charm]

Never seen this before at the race track but: If Peace rules had been DQ\'ed for bumping in the stretch and St Liam DQ\'ed for bearing out on the first turn would Peace Rules paid out as the winner despite being DQ\'ed and placed second???

Say What???

[jbelfior]

Not to take anything from the efforts of the top 2 (both horses and jocks) , but one of them had to be held accountable to the fact that at least 3 horses were eliminated going into the clubhouse turn.

No one can be sure how this affected FUNNY CIDE who pinballed off the rail. I blame part of this on Santos who broke alertly and should have went to the lead from his inside post. Why does FC\'s connections insist on rating this horse? His best races were when they just let him go.

Congrats to anyone who nailed a nice exacta payoff.



Good Luck,
Joe B.

[Bill Thompson]

Actually, something like this just happened a few weeks ago at Bay Meadows.  The answer is that it would depend on the state laws that apply to Fairgrounds -- At Bay Meadows, a race finished 5-2-4.  There was an inquiry, the #2 against the #5 and the #4 against the #2.  The stewards ruled the #5 was dq\'d from first to second for interference with the #2.  Then, the stewards ruled the #2 was dq\'d from first and placed third for interfering the #4.  The final result was 5-4-2.

  The reason, according to state law is that the stewards are to take each indicent in the order it happened, in the case at bay meadows, the 5 did interfer with the 2, then the 2 interefered with the 4.  So the 5, while being dq\'d, still ended up the official winner.

[Michael D.]

looked to me like Day tried to get the three wide position from SC, and the rider of SC stood his ground. after a few bumps between those two, SC swerved in and caused the chain reaction (SC then bounced off one of the other horses and swerved out, taking TMW with him). the trainer of SC was irate after the race, blamed everything on Day... i didn\'t see FC hit the rail, but he got bumped pretty good.......

[Know Nothing]

Bill,

Your exactly right. I saw that race and the 3-5 favorite that ran Off-the-Board was ridden by Ronnie Hansen.

[P-Dub]

That must have been some ride by Hansen.............he\'s been deceased for several years. That guy was my absolute favorite jockey in No Cal. Also, thanks to all of you who picked Saint Liam. My buddy liked PR and the exacta came in pretty nice. I hope you guys don\'t mind me bandwagoning your pick!! Looking forward to Big Cap weekend.........do they still sell TG at the Santa Anita Newstand??

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

I\'m glad someone hit the perfecta.

I remember reading about Hansen\'s death. They found his body in the sea breakwall days after his car was abandoned. Did anything ever come out further about that?

But this post is proof to me that discussing picks pre race is not wise unless its one minute to post...lol  Though the lowish odds actually saved me money. I think for the sake of discussion keeping it to vulnerable favorites is probably the best policy. I had a horse at Calder once. He was going to be 25-1 and I left it out to some of my gambling friends a day or two pre race he was gonna win. My gambling friends have lots of gambling friends and that horse went off at 8-5. He placed...lol

I need to see a good quality replay of the New Orleans. I\'m reading all kinds of reports now of how bad it was and i just didn\'t see it real clearly. Nothing is on t.v. right now.  It sounds like Bailey did cross over while essentially not being fully clear. I dont know, haven\'t seen it. It doesn\'t really matter its over.

Heres Dollase on Ten:

\"He\'s fine. We\'ll draw a line through that one and go on to the next one,\" said trainer Wally Dollase on Monday. \"When he gets nailed like that, maybe he gets discouraged.\"

Ya think? but hows his vertebrae?



Post Edited (03-02-04 01:59)

[TGAB]

\"....do they still sell TG at the Santa Anita Newstand??

Yes, on weekends--Friday through Sunday. On Wednesday and Thursday, TG is on sale right near the clubhouse entrance escalator. Signs at the newstand will direct you.

[P-Dub]

Thanks Alan.

Aw Cmon Chuckles, I\'m a guppy, not a whale. Talking about horses like SL helps me learn more about TG. Sure I cashed a ticket, but it also makes me visit the Red Board room to see what exactly it was that some of you liked. Also, lots of horses get bet that don\'t get discussed on the forum. Just look at it as a bonus ROW.

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

This article has a lot about Ron Hansen\'s death. I didn\'t realize he rode 20% winners. Thats a fantastic career percentage. But I understand \"know nothings\" little joke now. I never bet Bay Meadows or Golden Gate. The times I have, I\'m clueless:

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/7220681.htm


The police say he was driving his car on a bridge, caused a roll over, drove another mile and then abandoned his car. Police say alot of things they can\'t prove. It sounds like thats all speculation.

Hansen apparently had done some time for DUI and had told friends he never would never do so again. It sounds like Hansen was smart enough to realize there were no eye witnesses to the accident and smart enough to know he was probably gonna be tested for alcohol. Apparently he wasn\'t smart or sober enough to make his egress through the swampy water without finding trouble of some sort.

The other folks were fine. Theres lots of ways to lose a race or leave the racetrack of life. Lots of ways. God Bless Him.



Post Edited (03-03-04 06:25)