Travers - Electronic device used?

[justwin]

Guillot filed a complaint that Saez used an electronic device to surge WTC in the stretch. Guillot\'s brother said he saw Saez move something from one hand to the other and under his pant during the gallop out. We shall see but this could be another black eye. trainers are one thing but if its both trainers & jockeys - Ouch!

[touchgold]

watched the video...looked like he put something under saddle cloth

[justwin]

Jerry Bailey will analyze this on the NBC show at 4.

[justwin]

Typical of the sport. NBC had to cover the story but they story was very short and didn\'t show the part where it looked like Saez was tucking something with his left hand under the saddle. Would love to see an angle from the infield.

[Boscar Obarra]

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B1wwPKz4-ZzzeWtMSW4wOHFnOEk/edit

You may have to watch this 20 times, but as nutty as the man might be, it does look a bit weird.

[Silver Charm]

It was actually a Stun Gun. When he pulled next to Verazanno he shot him and knocked him woosy and then applied a more modest shock to his own runner....

This is TOTAL garbage.  Only fools make these accusations and.the same.people.failed to.point.out out.the slightly.open right palm on.the Jocks right.hand 20 yards after the wire. I guess it was supposed to fall.out then and it.didnt so he tucked.it.

Guillot.has his 1 hour in the Sun. Now go.back under the Rock.he came.from......

[Boscar Obarra]

I know the guy has a rep as a bit of a wild man, but is he so deranged as to make an baseless accusation like this with such \'flimsy\' evidence.

 I\'ll assume he\'s seen enough in his day to make him think its not so far fetched.

 Has he ever said anything else like this, so that you\'d say this was a pattern of his?

[kekomi]

the most worthless comments are those that attack who said something, rather than analyze the content of what was said.

if you find the charge preposterous, point why on based on the footage or other evidence.

cheating in this sport is as old as the sport. and lukas made a pretty loud audible in switching jockeys between races, even though the original jock rode WTC to his best finish in the horse\'s last 4 races. lukas stressed the change was made because he thought the new rider would be \"more aggressive.\"

as someone who puts money on these races, i\'d think you\'d be happy whenever someone raises questions about a race\'s legitimacy. sunshine has always been the best disinfectant, and the best way to open the curtains and let in more sunlight, is to make the sport feel uncomfortable.

i don\'t know if the accusation is true or not, but i wouldn\'t be surprised at all if it is.

[Boscar Obarra]

You know, this brought up the 1995 Derby, an incident I don\'t recall too well.

 But I\'ve looked at the vid on youtube (Zapruder style) and ,granted, 1995 was pre Bernie Madoff and folks were still naive, but it\'s hard to believe they passed that off as a \'shadow\'.

 Two seconds before there was ZERO shadow on his outstretched hand. Weird KY sun?

[Flighted Iron]

Saez, through his agent Richard DePass, denied the allegation.

"It's absurd for someone to make an accusation like that," DePass said by phone from Florida. "We deny it one million percent. We're going to get an attorney and pursue this vigorously."

Boscar,

  The vid is interesting. The statement by Depass i find interesting as well.
Using the word absurd to describe something that\'s for all intents and purposes
not that absurd. If it is absurd why are they even denying it versus \"no comment\",let alone denying it a million percent and then playing the attorney
card?

   At any rate, it\'s stated in DRF state poliz will investigate due to their expertise in video analysis. Btw, thanks for the video.

Flighted

[circlethefield]

This brings to mind the 1999 Arkansas Derby...jockey Billy Patin clearly drops something to the track, easily visible in the replay.  I seem to remember as well a track employee seeing this when it happened, and finding the device.
 As for the \'95 Kentucky Derby incident, which I\'d not heard of until today on this board...after watching the NBC replay on YouTube, it does look odd. Frame by frame would be interesting...but without that capability, the replay to my eyes is inconclusive. I had never heard about the FunnyCide, Santos claims either, which came to nothing.

[miff]

NBC sports coverage by Bailey shows slo motion/stop footage of each hand clearly open with nothing visible.Much more revealing than Y-Tube.Whole incident came from Guillot\'s brother who felt WTC surged right at the wire and believed it to be from an electric shock device(Louisianans\' a bit famous for that)Believe from the voice in the YouTube video, it\'s a good old Cajun,maybe Guillot\'s bro?

Guillot has conducted himself like a classless pig on many occasions at the SPA including a little voodoo doll of TAP with jinx pins in it,fking imbecile not close to being comedic.

Cheating always out there but this appears to be a suckers holler from a classless bunch of hicks,at least as far as the NBC footage shows.


Mike

[Silver Charm]

Well said Mike. The sport and this board to an extent is getting to the point where every race is being.won by someone who crossed the line using performance enhancer that are illegal or a device or sometjing.....

I dont believe it....there are to many good.hard working people with integrity involved and certain controls and reputations. If things have gotten to point where everything you see is implied to be crooked I want out of the game as a fan....

[billk5300s]

Good Morning All,

I\'ve been reading the Travers posts this morning and it serves as a wake up call.  We\'re all TG players and I\'m sure we\'ve all had big plays messed up by questionable runners.  I\'m a Midwest player and I can tell you that at the Kentucky and Illinois tracks that you MUST factor in the tote board which makes it almost impossible to play ahead of time.  There have been times where I\'ve had to pass on races because a horse that in the graph was a throw out was being bet out of the norm.  I realize that this happens everywhere but it seems like the amount of questionable races is increasing.  I\'m sure the convenience of on-line wagering as adding to the equation. Another phenomena that I\'m seeing are odds dropping extremely late.  When I\'ve questioned it I\'ve been told that it\'s the delay in transferring on-line wagers into the pools.  With the speed bias at Arlington on the main track you can be certain that the odds will drop on the leader.  I am not making accusations, just sharing my observations and concerns for a sport that we all love.

[jerry]

Did you notice anything strange about the post race interview of Saez?