Holy Crap

[miff]

BB,

Obviously a homer. No one at the Times has a clue about the racing game if those articles are representative of their knowledge of racing.

Mike

[BB]

If you can\'t address someone\'s facts, impugn their motives. What - exactly - did the Times get wrong today?

[P-Dub]

JR Wrote:
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> JB, I\'ve got a prop for you. You\'re an influential
> part of this industry.  I\'ll venture a guess a lot
> of big money players use your product. Stop
> selling sheets for these junk tracks. Watch their
> pools dry up.


I don\'t think many big players play much at the smaller tracks. The pools are already small as it is.

[Bigredgoer]

Will be real interesting to see how the rest of the \"Horse Racing Media\" cover this...or choose not to

[JR]

Agree. But what about not publishing numbers from some of the less reputable trainers at the bigger tracks? How many would play a race with an entry from a known juice trainer if you didn\'t have any data on the horse? Too far fetched?

[P-Dub]

JR Wrote:
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> Agree. But what about not publishing numbers from
> some of the less reputable trainers at the bigger
> tracks? How many would play a race with an entry
> from a known juice trainer if you didn\'t have any
> data on the horse? Too far fetched?


No. But I think most of the players at the lesser tracks use DRF, and not sophisticated performance figures.

[Topcat]

miff Wrote:
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> They repaid the difference to all signers they
> could find.Discussion of making the rest of the
> unidentified players \"whole\" died.



Certainly didn\'t see much about the latter after the initial brouhaha . . .

[Lost Cause]

miff Wrote:
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> Like Crist, hope he is not in any possible
> trouble. DRF/NYRA/CRIST/HAYWARD joined at the hip.


Miff , How could you crucify NYRA and then hope Crist is not in any possible trouble.  He is enabling the stuff you hate but yet you want him to get a pass..

F-him let him get roasted with all of them.

[Topcat]

TGJB Wrote:
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> Anybody but me wonder how they got the email?
>
>


Guessing? Insider access to Charlie\'s stored e-mails . . .

[TGJB]

Top-- but who would go in, and why?

[Topcat]

TGJB Wrote:
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> Top-- but who would go in, and why?


Your original question is a good one, and sure as hell has legs.

Again, guessing . . . some NYS operative with \"access\", looking for a damning data trail.  Suspect the truth will out, and sooner, rather than later.

[Topcat]

plasticman Wrote:
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> Rick this is REALLY bad. Crist has always
> portrayed himself as a \'friend\' of the bettors, a
> friend of the little guy and now this?
>
> You could make the argument this this scandal is
> actually WORSE than the Chris Harn fix 6 scandal
> because the people involved in this were highly
> respected in the industry.


Thus far, the DRF doesn\'t appear to be censoring (the many, many) comments re this story at the Form\'s website . . . plenty of knife-throwing . . .

[HP]

Today\'s Times has an article about how they are cutting purses.  The money quote in the article comes from Gary Stevens.

"If there's no raceday medication, you'd solve a lot of problems," Gary Stevens, a retired Hall of Fame jockey, said.

He spoke of how he refused to ride in cheaper races and for certain trainers in California because he knew that they used drugs to mask the pain of sore horses. Stevens also said that he had ridden extensively in Hong Kong and Europe, where drugs were banned on raceday and penalties for violations were harsh. Stevens said that he never feared for his safety overseas.

"I never had a horse break down in these countries," he said. "It was pure and it was a pleasure."

Would be great if Stevens could secure a spot currently occupied by \"clueless clowns!\"  Now that LUCK is over maybe he can do it.  Hard to argue with his qualifications and he gets right to the point.  

Article here

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/01/sports/new-york-cuts-race-purses-to-protect-horse-safety.html

[Topcat]

HP Wrote:
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> Today\'s Times has an article about how they are
> cutting purses.  The money quote in the article
> comes from Gary Stevens.
>
> "If there's no raceday medication, you'd solve a
> lot of problems," Gary Stevens, a retired Hall of
> Fame jockey, said.
>
> He spoke of how he refused to ride in cheaper
> races and for certain trainers in California
> because he knew that they used drugs to mask the
> pain of sore horses. Stevens also said that he had
> ridden extensively in Hong Kong and Europe, where
> drugs were banned on raceday and penalties for
> violations were harsh. Stevens said that he never
> feared for his safety overseas.
>
> "I never had a horse break down in these
> countries," he said. "It was pure and it was a
> pleasure."
>
> Would be great if Stevens could secure a spot
> currently occupied by \"clueless clowns!\"  Now that
> LUCK is over maybe he can do it.  Hard to argue
> with his qualifications and he gets right to the
> point.  
>
> Article here
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/01/sports/new-york-
> cuts-race-purses-to-protect-horse-safety.html



I\'m a Stevens fan . . . but he could afford the luxury.

[TGJB]

It\'s a big mistake to think that banning drugs and eliminating drugs are the same thing. A lot of drugs being used are being banned now.