NY Times Hit Piece is out

Started by Boscar Obarra, March 24, 2012, 10:45:05 PM

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Rich Curtis

Doesn\'t that provide too many perverse incentives, Lasix being a performance enhancer?

I think it\'s possible to make a good case for letting only non-bleeders use Lasix.

miff

JB,

As you know,many horses on lasix, or not, will scope dirty after a race or work,albeit sometimes very minor. Why is lasix, as a preventative, a problem if everyone can use it. What good could possibly come from an animal bleeding even once if lasix helps avoid that.There is no science that pinpoints lasix as being responsible for the unsound modern horse.Administration of lasix by track vets should be enough to move the conversation on to far more important issues.

You are aware that the lasix \"masks\" other illegal stuff was laughed out of the room by science.Many of those stumping on banning lasix/clean up the game are cleverly deflecting attention from racings deeper problems,many of which evolved under the stewardship of the Clueless Clowns at the helm.

Mike
miff

JR

From what I\'ve read of your posts, you sound like a reasonable and knowledgeable voice. Could you elaborate on what you think are racings deeper problems?
JR

miff

JR,

Briefly,there are 32-33 States that sanction racing and getting them to common ground on anything is very difficult. If just California, NY, Kentucky and Florida \"partnered\",the rest may fall into line.The chances of that are modest and I\'d guess not even thought of.Too many venues looking at racing from a totally parochial viewpoint.Recently, for example, NY Racing Chief Honcho Sabini mocked Kentucky racings problems, too uninformed to realize that the demise of Kentucky racing would eventually lead to NY racings demise.Sabini,a political appointee, unable to reconcile NY racings unjust enrichment from slot money vs Kentucky racing,still fighting for a slot subsidy to assist with enhancing Kentucky\'s racing program.

The perception of racings problems are greater than it\'s actual problems.Economy aside,I\'d say the greatest problem the game must deal with is unseating most of those in charge,a tall order.The disconnect between those running the game and those regularly supporting it at the windows could not be greater.

Second thing right now is that all things negative about racing are being exploited by attention whores with an agenda. The article in the NY Times and the stumping by a few politicians/breeders/blue blood owners are examples.I\'ll disagree with anyone that this NY Times article is anything more than an attention grabber,it\'s content totally skewed to the negative side.They took every negative thing they could find and only quoted credible sources who voiced on the negative side after leading them in that direction.Even what is accurate in the article has a contra, but that was ignored.

No one is saying that racing does not have problems which require corrective action but the current racing lords are in way too deep.Bring in some top executive talent, give them authority,the game could survive,it may not with the Clueless Clowns at the helm.


Mike
miff

TGJB

Mike-- there is a move afoot roughly along the lines of your second sentence, without getting specific as to the \"who\".
TGJB

TGJB

Mike-- and by the way, I agree that power has to be ripped from the cold, dead fingers of those that run the game.

Word I\'m getting is that the article has scared the crap out of major players in the industry (and in the breeding industry that depends on it), which is good, and long overdue. There should be some things happening late this week or early next, some were going to happen anyway, but this speeded them up, and created a lot more support for them.

A crisis is a terrible thing to waste...
TGJB

richiebee

Just like to make the point that most if not all of the issues in the Drape article
have been discussed on this board, extensively and sometimes intelligently, for the
last 10 years or so...

miff

Didn\'t we predict this?

A congressional senator, ignoring many facts, on the stump for political capital.So,the sport of Thoroughbred racing has \"reached an alarming level of corruption and exploitation\" Was that just yesterday or exactly when, racing expert Senator Udall?

Maybe the good senator was mainly speaking of the quarter horse circuit at Ruidoso Downs in New Mexico, his home state. Fool ought to filter the facts before getting on the stump.Someone from THOROUGHBRED racing with a pair and some facts should tackle the good Senator.No one in the game will tell you that problems do not exist but \"alarming level of corruption and exploitation\"? Right now? Because the NY Times wrote an article so biased a blind man could see it?

Great point by Chuck Simon on Byk show that the award winning Joe Drape and co conveniently lumped in quarter horse racing with Thoroughbred to magnify the negativity factor but ignored Harness racing where this issue is not nearly as bad, i.e. breakdowns.

Bloodhorse:

Udall Says \'Corruption\' in Racing Alarming
By Tom LaMarra
Updated: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 10:05 AM

A member of Congress who in 2011 co-sponsored federal legislation that would regulate safety and integrity in horse racing has renewed his call in the wake of a March 25 report in the New York Times.

Democratic New Mexico Sen. Tom Udall, in a March 26 release, said the Times report, the first in an installment, paints a "very disturbing picture of the industry." Thus far, the Times package has focused on Quarter Horse racing, though it lumps Thoroughbred racing in with Quarter Horse racing.

Interestingly, it focused on New Mexico, the state Udall represents in Congress.

"The sport of horse racing which, at its best, showcases the majestic beauty of this animal and the athleticism of jockeys, has reached an alarming level of corruption and exploitation," Udall said. "The consequence of inconsistent state-level regulation is an epidemic of animal doping that has lead to countless euthanizations of helpless horses and the injury and death of their riders.

"The Times exposé has shined a glaring light on the need for national standards in a sport that reaps gambling profits but has lacked proper oversight for decades."

Major industry organizations were slow to respond to the Times report, though some industry participants have questioned its methodology in determining the scope of horse injuries and also speculated about its impetus. Industry leaders knew the package of stories was coming.

The National Thoroughbred Racing Association, which oversees the NTRA Safety and Integrity Alliance, issued a statement March 27.

\"Recent media reports have presented a sobering assessment of the safety and integrity of horse racing,\" NTRA president and chief executive officer Alex Waldrop said. \"The NTRA takes these reports very seriously because we know that thousands of industry participants consider the health and safety of our human and equine athletes and the integrity of our sport to be our highest priorities.

\"Over the past several years, the industry has instituted a number of significant safety and integrity reforms, including such initiatives as the Equine Injury Database, the NTRA Safety and Integrity Alliance, and the Thoroughbred Aftercare Alliance. Despite this progress, we must do more and move with a greater sense of urgency than has been demonstrated to date.

\"Toward that end, tracks, horsemen, regulators, and other participants must consider all options for enacting nationwide reform in a more comprehensive, lasting way.\"

Udall said the 2011 legislation also sponsored by Republican U.S. Rep. Ed Whitfield of Kentucky should be advanced in Congress. The bill would set standards for equine medication and penalties.

In keeping with a pattern, mainstream media reports about racing\'s problems and resulting calls for legislation traditionally come in the weeks leading up to the Kentucky Derby Presented by Yum! Brands (gr. I), Thoroughbred racing\'s most recognizable race. Last year\'s Interstate Horseracing Improvement Act was introduced May 4 during Derby week.

"The horse racing industry has promised voluntary reforms for decades, but as we've painfully observed, our legislation is the only viable way to address doping problems plaguing the sport."

Thoroughbred industry officials have contended progress has been made, particularly over the past four years. Anabolic steroids in racehorses have been effectively banned, and many states have adopted model rules for medication and penalties for violators.

The Jockey Club and other groups since last summer have been in the process of redoing model rules to better address uniformity in race-day medication use and penalties. The document will be unveiled soon.

The Jockey Club is using data, particularly in regard to drug violations and penalties, to track trends and in turn develop protocol. Data thus far shows that since 2005, 1,900 trainers have had a least one violation, but only 50-75 trainers have had 10 or more.

Jockey Club statistics show there have been 12,805 unique trainers that had at least one starter from Jan. 1, 2005-Dec. 31, 2011. Only 14% had any drug violations over a six-year period, and less than 1% averaged more than one medication violation per year.

The bill introduced last year by Udall and Whitfield was largely panned by the racing industry for being unworkable because it makes no differentiation between illegal medications and legal therapeutic substances used in horses for training and racing. There also were concerns Congress would end up opening up the Interstate Horseracing Act, which authorizes full-card simulcasts across state lines.

Late in the afternoon of March 26, American Association of Equine Practitioners president Dr. John Mitchell issued a statement on the Times article.

\"There should be no higher priority for the racing community than the health and safety of its equine and human athletes,\" Mitchell said. \"Reducing equine injuries must be the primary focus of all who care for the horse-- from racetrack management and regulators to the veterinarians and horsemen who work daily in the barns.

\"The racing community has a fundamental obligation to provide the best of care and oversight for our horses, and there are efforts to fulfill this mission. Examples of programs that have been recently developed for improved care of equine athletes include creation and refinement of the (Equine Injury Database), certification of tracks through the NTRA Safety and Integrity Alliance, the establishment of aftercare programs for retired racehorses, and the dedication of millions of research dollars to equine health and safety.

\"As the New York Times article points out, there is much work to be done. Nationwide adoption of best practices for pre-race inspection and post-race observation along with uniform medication, testing, security, and enforcement policies by all racing jurisdictions are essential safety and integrity elements for all to embrace. Commitment to these principles is critical to the very existence of the sport and most importantly, the safety of its horses and human athletes.\"

The issue was addressed during the March 26 edition of \"At the Races With Steve Byk\" on SIRIUSXM. Trainer Chuck Simon, who regularly comments during the program, said the issues need to be addressed but the way the story tackled them was questionable.

\"You can write anything you want to write about horse racing and not have to worry about someone coming back at you (to dispute it),\" Simon said. \"I\'m not defending the sport about not having issues. We can always make things better. But progress is always pooh-poohed. People in the industry come off as thinking anything that is done is never enough.\"

Simon suggested lumping Quarter Horse racing in with Thoroughbred racing \"confuses the issues,\" and he noted Standardbred racing, which rarely has breakdowns on the racetrack or in training, wasn\'t mentioned in the Times rep
miff

girly

In an article on the newly agreed upon NYS BUDGET in Capital confidential at the Albany Times Union newspaper Posted on March 27, 2012 at 1:52 pm by Rick Karlin, Capitol bureau-a statement by the Governor\'s office


New York State Gaming Commission

Following the landmark agreement made earlier this month to begin the process of amending the state constitution to allow casino gaming in New York, the Budget enacts the Governor's proposal to create a New York State Gaming Commission, including the merger of the Division of Lottery and the Racing and Wagering Board. This reform reorganizes the state's gaming regulatory functions into a single oversight body. The new Commission would be comprised of seven members, five appointed by the Governor, and one apiece appointed by the Senate Majority Leader and the Assembly Speaker. The gaming industry constitutes a vital sector of New York's overall economy and contributes to economic development and job creation across the state. Under this agreement, the regulation of gaming will be conducted in the most efficient, transparent and effective manner possible, and eliminate unnecessary regulation redundancies. The new State Gaming Commission will help ensure that all gaming activity conducted in New York is of the highest integrity, credibility, and quality, and that the best interests of the public are served.
Valerie

Kasept

So what begins? The formation of an amalgamated NY Gaming Industry Commission was developed months ago.
Derby Trail: http://www.derbytrail.com
At the Races on SiriusXM: http://www.stevebyk.com

trackjohn

All involved in racing better hope that there aren\'t any breakdowns during the triple crown races...The negative publicity would increase exponentially and IMO result in \'knee-jerk\' legislation on a national level..Comments??

John

sighthound

Well, they have to be diagnosed a bleeder now before they get lasix.  Here\'s that difference: don\'t forget that 30 years ago we didn\'t have flexible endoscopes, and the ability for everyone to own one so horses are literally scoped right back at the barn after they run.  So 30 years ago horses would only be diagnosed as bleeders if they snorted blood out of their lungs.  

My opinion:  Lasix is essential to help horses by protecting their lungs from damage that is often permanent.  That\'s why even in jurisdictions that don\'t allow lasix during a race, trainers use it to train at speed.  

Lasix doesn\'t make them run faster - in fact old research from years ago has shown it slows horses very very slightly -  and diluting the urine by inducing diuresis and depleting the blood volume (lasix dehydrates and makes horses pee out water, just like if you take it for a heart problem) - well, we are sophisticated enough today that the slight dilution factor doesn\'t mask anything by diluting down a drug present in the urine.

Of all the drugs to worry about, lasix isn\'t even on my list.  Not even close.  Again:  JMO

Edit:  in reply to a private question, yes, US trainers use lasix all the time in the morning, too, when they work horses at speed.  Sometimes you\'ll see a last minute canceled work: if the barn mgr goofs up and the horse doesn\'t get lasix (vet is delayed, not called etc.), most trainer will not risk working them and damaging their lungs via bleeding.

sighthound

QuoteMike-- and by the way, I agree that power has to be ripped from the cold, dead fingers of those that run the game.

This ^^^^    Well said.

girly

There are a lot of changes coming down the pike with Cuomo\'s consolidations. We\'ll see what if anything happens with the NY racing industry over the next couple of years.
Valerie

Rich Curtis

\"Lasix doesn\'t make them run faster - in fact old research from years ago has shown it slows horses very very slightly\"

 If this doesn\'t get challenged pretty quick, I\'m going to lose my total play.

  Sighthound: Tell me, are you basing your conclusion on this old research?