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[big18741]

Pretty sure those new wrinkles are coming from Josh McDaniels in the last two weeks.

[TGJB]

We tend to remember the photos we lose more than the ones we win-- the Ravens loss was about as flukey as the Giants win was.

[miff]

\"Pats actually had a much better team during the undefeated run and still couldnt get that last win. Now, they\'re not nearly as good\"

Plastic,


The Pats have been beating up on the Little Sisters Of The Poor all year. Believe I read that the Ravens were the Ist team the Pats beat this year that had a winning record.

SB a one game championship, so just about everything prior is out the window anyway.

Mike

[Topcat]

Rick B. Wrote:
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> big18741 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Pats have been over rated by the markets but
> > people still love to bet them.
> >
> > I don\'t see much difference between the Pats
> and
> > Giants.
>
> At the risk of being the worst edition of Mr.
> MOTO, the difference between the Pats and ANY
> other team in the NFL is that the Pats have Bill
> Belichick, and the other teams don\'t. (Add in a
> healthy, confident Tom Brady, and, really -- you
> don\'t see much difference?)
>  
> Nobody gets more out of his players year after
> year than Belichick. The only guy in pro sports
> that even comes close to Belichick is MLB\'s Tony
> LaRussa, who was forced to make chicken salad out
> of chicken  every year for the last 10 or so.
>
> I\'d consider taking the Giants if I was getting
> 7.5 or more; 3.5 is nonsense and will likely move
> to 4.5 in a few days. Anyone that likes the Giants
> so much that they would take those skimpy points
> might as well go for the gusto and make a
> moneyline bet instead (evens at some places right
> now, wait a few days for NE money to show),
> because of course the Giants can win -- this is
> still the NFL -- but if they lose it will be by
> more than 4.5, IMO.


Doubt number goes up, but if so, it will be due to a Giant practice injury.   New York $$$$ is huge, and you\'ll see a LOT of 3 before they shut the windows and the bell rings.

[plasticman]

True Mike, True.

Their schedule was filled with \'patsies\' no pun intended.

Hopefully the Giants have one more great game inside them.

[P-Dub]

Topcat Wrote:
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> Rick B. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > big18741 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Pats have been over rated by the markets but
> > > people still love to bet them.
> > >
> > > I don\'t see much difference between the Pats
> > and
> > > Giants.
> >
> > At the risk of being the worst edition of Mr.
> > MOTO, the difference between the Pats and ANY
> > other team in the NFL is that the Pats have
> Bill
> > Belichick, and the other teams don\'t. (Add in a
> > healthy, confident Tom Brady, and, really --
> you
> > don\'t see much difference?)
> >  
> > Nobody gets more out of his players year after
> > year than Belichick. The only guy in pro sports
> > that even comes close to Belichick is MLB\'s
> Tony
> > LaRussa, who was forced to make chicken salad
> out
> > of chicken  every year for the last 10 or so.
> >
> > I\'d consider taking the Giants if I was getting
> > 7.5 or more; 3.5 is nonsense and will likely
> move
> > to 4.5 in a few days. Anyone that likes the
> Giants
> > so much that they would take those skimpy
> points
> > might as well go for the gusto and make a
> > moneyline bet instead (evens at some places
> right
> > now, wait a few days for NE money to show),
> > because of course the Giants can win -- this is
> > still the NFL -- but if they lose it will be by
> > more than 4.5, IMO.
>
>
> Doubt number goes up, but if so, it will be due to
> a Giant practice injury.   New York $$$$ is huge,
> and you\'ll see a LOT of 3 before they shut the
> windows and the bell rings.

Absolutely agree.  No way this line gets to 4.5. It will hover around a FG and might move a half or so.

[P-Dub]

Since we\'re talking NFl.

The only worse idea than the guy coming up with the current commercial, where NFL players are singing \"Wind beneath my wings\" to various fans....

......is the guy that approved it for going ahead with it.

[Silver Charm]

49ers Blitzed a lot to bring pressure and Giants do not need to.
Patriots to not have much of a Pass Rush. They just do not.
This is Tom Brady not Alex Smith who never converted a third down all day.
Ravens pass defense made some catches and plays. Giants did not. But again Smith wasnt accurate enough. 49ers TE seemed to get good mathcups occasionally and most assuredly they will be looking to do this with Gronkowski.
Giants know they can move the football on NE and have beaten them already.
This game is a push and go over 55 1/2 with game indoors and two Great QB\'s dueling.

[gagoots007]

Pinnacle now has pats minus 3 plus 05 giants plus 3 lay 14.Will see 2 1/2 before its over.

[plasticman]

Absolutely. Is anyone who really knows this game laying 3.5 and taking New England?

Seems like you have to bet NYG or skip the game.

[alm]

In this playoff run the Giants have been making quarterbacks miss by challenging their passing lanes, not by pressuring them.  Rogers was off by a foot to a foot and a half making it appear his receivers were just dropping the ball.  The third rate SF quarterback missed a lot of passes by about two feet to two and a half feet even when he had time.  Watch the video.

The SF blitz surely affected Manning, but not as much as the soft field, which got softer in the second half.  Watch closely...Cruz still got open in the second half, but couldn\'t motor to the pass even when he did.  So Manning\'s passes to him were overthrown.  On a dry field the Giants would have crushed, beating the blitz.

This is not a dominant Giant team, but a very smartly coached team.  Bellichick is great (and a crook), but no greater than Coughlin.  No doubt in my  mind that they are both in a special category.  

Brady can win every game when he steps on the field, but in this case, in this year, I think Manning can win a shootout with him.  I just don\'t think NE can bring excessive pressure on Manning, which is his big advantage.  A very big advantage. From my point of view, the Super Bowl was played in San Francisco on Sunday.

[MonmouthGuy]

I loaded up offshore at 3.5 and am waiting for the 2.5 looking for the big one.

[big18741]

I think that\'s why this game will eventually settle at -3

Lots of big money playing for a middle and you\'ll get some Pats money if it drops below a field goal.

[FrankD.]

Monmouth

If you hurry 5 Dimes & Bet on Line are -2.5 right now off shore.

You\'ll never see Vegas expose itself to another Super Bowl middle; last one was the disastrous 1979 Steelers & Cowboy\'s at 4.5 & 3.5 and we know where that one landed.

Good luck,

Frank D.

[MonmouthGuy]

Thanks Frank.  Agree on Vegas.