Shakleford

Caradoc · May 21, 2011, 05:57:24 PM

My guess is that he meant, perhaps among other things, the suggestion that Romans run the Preakness winner back in 9 days in the Met Mile. And that doing so would prove something unproven at this point.

jimbo66 · May 21, 2011, 06:08:22 PM

It would be more than unproven. it would be stupid.

He just won a classic and they are considering the Belmont. Why would he need to \"show us\" something and come back and run in 9 days in the Met Mile.

He showed us something today. He ran hard all the way around the track.

BTW, not buying that the trip cost Animal Kingdom. He dropped back on his own out of the gate, didn\'t get cut off. When you watch the overhead, he was never stopped, saved ground relatively speaking in the 2 path on the far turn, and had a seam to run through and every chance to get by the winner, who warred it on the front end the whole way. AK got close to him, but wasn\'t getting by.

miff · May 21, 2011, 09:25:09 PM

Jim,

Bud,we\'ll disagree that being app 20 back after the first quarter was the the plan going in. Poor break early on did not help either, the kickback excuse is not legit,imo.Nobody made a real run, a little by Astrology,AK did well running past 12 of theses slugs. Shackelford gutted out a nice win doing the dirty work, even though they ran the 2nd thru 4th quarters in app 1.14.3.

Royal Delta might have been competitive with these based on the final times and the track being a little faster on Sat than Fri.

Glad you broke thru on the Preakness!

Mike

devilinahorsesuit · May 21, 2011, 11:26:25 PM

Lighten up, junior, you sound like Chuckles.

alm · May 22, 2011, 06:10:44 AM

Mike

A lot was made of this horse being washed out before the race...but if you watched him as he was actually loading, he had cooled out...the warmup helped. I was watching on a high def television and commented as they were loading him \"Uh Oh, this horse isn\'t hot...he looks great...every horse I bet shows kidney sweat entering the gate...he doesn\'t...I\'m dead.\" That\'s a factual account of my declining fortune yesterday.

Al

MonmouthGuy · May 22, 2011, 06:18:43 AM

I had the same thought as he loaded. Thought he looked great and was very worried that I had underestimated the effect the dead rail had on him at CD after he rebroke. Terrific ride by Jesus. The second quarter in 24 won him the race.

miff · May 22, 2011, 06:26:54 AM

Al,
Sounded like you were on the money yesterday.

Shack and Sway totally washed(would have booked every dollar on both of them), also noted kidney sweat and a little neck break out on AK, it got warm I guess.

NYRA vomiting that AK does not come to the Belmont with the TC on the line.

Shame about Armageddon, will now have to reload and attack instead of hanging with 72 virgins.

Mike

miff · May 22, 2011, 09:11:18 AM

Generous 104 Beyer, guess they ignored the teletimer.

alm · May 22, 2011, 09:39:30 AM

Hey, help me find ONE virgin to hang with.

Halo Fire · May 22, 2011, 09:43:31 AM

\"Put this horse in the Met Mile, Dale. Let\'s see if he\'s for real..........\"

This is what I was referring to when I asked if you\'re joking. Pot shot?
devilinahorsesuit summed it up best.

MO · May 22, 2011, 11:17:14 AM

yeah, that was a sarcastic joke, thought you were referring to the substance of the post.

Boscar Obarra · May 23, 2011, 06:39:15 PM

Not sure it means much , but Shack changed leads twice in the final 1/16. Really reached down.

SoCalMan2 · May 23, 2011, 08:59:54 PM

MonmouthGuy Wrote:
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> I had the same thought as he loaded. Thought he
> looked great and was very worried that I had
> underestimated the effect the dead rail had on him
> at CD after he rebroke. Terrific ride by Jesus.
> The second quarter in 24 won him the race.

Good point on the Derby Dead Rail. TGJB said it was a close call whether or not to give this horse a dead rail designation for the Derby. IF you look at his sheet and do give him that \"X\" in the Derby, he looks a lot better in the Preakness. Of course, I needed him to hang on for third in the Derby and ended up getting blanked because he didn\'t -- now I can feel truly victimized by the Derby Dead Rail.

TGJB · May 24, 2011, 08:34:39 AM

Correct. I didn\'t give him the X because a) he wasn\'t on the rail on the second turn, where there clearly was a dead rail, and b) he ran too well. But given that he had about a 3 length lead before he dropped over to the rail and then gave it up, it\'s quite possible he would have won the Derby if he stayed out a couple of paths in the stretch. He ran 5 lengths better at Pim.

I know, MJ.

mjellish · May 25, 2011, 01:03:52 PM

Who knows Jerry. Tough to say. Maybe SHAK got the 1 3/16ths because the PIM track was kind to speed. Maybe he still spits out the bit in the Derby because 1 1/4 is too far. Maybe the track on Derby day just played a lot like a turf course. I dunno.

I do know this. If SHAK actually wins the Derby and AK takes second, with Neh 3rd and MMM 4th I take down over $1,000,000. And that is no B.S. All things considered, I would have been quite happy if he just could have held for 3rd and I take down half that amount. But... that\'s the game.

Makes for an interesting Belmont though. If SHAK goes he is a gamer, but I think 1 1/2 is too far for him. My observation of him is that he runs better when he has another horse to look in the eye. He responds well to a challenge. But if someone is really moving from behind him they are probably going to pass him before he has a chance to respond. Watch the way he takes off again in the FL Derby when he sees DI coming, but DI had too much momemtum and passed him anyway although it was a slow final 1/4 mile overall.

If AK goes in the Belmont then I think he would still be a bet against for me, maybe even a toss. He\'s now got 2 big efforts on dirt and the Belmont would be his 3rd in 5 weeks. And I still am going to stand by statement that he is not athletic and can be beat on dirt by a horse with a turn of foot or one who gets the jump on him and has the stamina to keep going down the lane.

I see Nehro as a horse that likes to take second and won\'t win. I intend to play him that way until he proves otherwise. Maybe a guy should just key him in 2nd now.

So I think you can make an argument against all 3 of what probably turns out to be the top 3 betting choices. Have to see the sheets on some of the newcomers.

Overall I usually don\'t mind losing, but for some reason this has been a very frustrating Triple Crown sequence for me. I just feel as if I somehow let a couple big ones get by. We have a terrible Derby favorite and great betting race, but I just miss. Then I get to watch SHAK come back at 12-1 and win the Preakness and although he was a Key horse for me in the Derby somehow he\'s a toss on all my tickets in Maryland, while my key horse Sway Away completely washes out before the race or whatever but in any case he doesn\'t show up AT ALL. And to top that all off, I get a voice mail within minutes of the Preakness from a buddy who had chipped in on my Derby tickets. We hadn\'t talked leading up to the Preakness as I went solo. But I guess he went out to the local strip here expecting to find me there, didn\'t see me, tried to call and I didn\'t answer (was at the lake with phone OFF). So not knowing what else to do, he bet SHAK to win and boxed him with AK blind because he knew how much I liked both those horses in the Derby and he heard me talking about how the dead rail on Derby day probably got me beat. So my buddy figures SHAK will probably turn the tables on AK now and cleans up simply by listening to the things I said two weeks ago. But I get stugots again because I evidentally don\'t do such a good job of listening to myself.