This Unlce Mo work today really has me confused

[miff]

Car,

The same inane arguments will be made when the tracks are shuttering,all the players gone, then what? No one is suggesting that every minor issue be reported. Certainly a meaningful physical list could be developed and reviewed over time.

Mike

[sekrah]

miff, MI looked empty in the Sa Derby?  He came home in 12.2 while steadying at the pole.

[miff]

Sek,

Totally, around the whole turn under a strong left handed whip.Note the last 1/8th but Comma To the Top came back while bearing out and bothering MI.

Everyone is drawing a line with most of these, can see you liking him, I\'m not a fan.

Mike

[sekrah]

mjellish,

After some reflection, it would make sense to me that Midnight Interlude is not a horse that would like an off track.  He\'s a very large animal with a long stride.   They tend not to move as well over the off tracks as the faster twitching sprinters.   This horse clearly gets most of his genetic influence from his dam side, and the off track numbers look very shakey there.

If it does come up wet on May 7th, he will be moved down my board.

[ajkreider]

I dunno.  Visually, his most impressive race was in the slop.

[sekrah]

Why?  Because he drubbed some maidens by 8 lengths?   The fig was a 7.  It was a full second slower than his 2nd place maiden finish on Feb 26th.

I really like this horse and think he\'s going to be a classic monster, but if it\'s sloppy, muddy, and sticky, his action just doesn\'t look quick enough to get through it efficiently IMO.

Hoping for a nice work over the fast track next week and a fast track on Saturday, if so then he\'s definently in the final 2 or 3 candidates to be my \"Top Dog\".

[ajkreider]

Not saying he relishes the mud.  But the jock was sitting up with a 1/16th to go. What\'s his number all out to the wire? A horse he beat by 6 and 7 lengths in his previous two, he beat by 15. Sure didn\'t look like a horse that struggles enough to downgrade on an off track.  At least he\'s won going two turns on an off track.  How many others in this field can say that?  Soldat and . . . (I honestly don\'t know).

But, you\'re right that the next work on a fast track will tell all.

[JR]

It\'s all in Tod\'s plan.

[miff]

Unlike the smug NYRA,at least KRHC replies when you send a query. This came from their top person.It did not answer all that I asked, but:


\"Thank you for expressing your concerns about wagering integrity.  The Kentucky Horse Racing Commission shares your desire to make certain the public is able to wager with confidence in the integrity of  Kentucky\'s horseracing, be it for the Derby or any other race under our jurisdiction.

The following describes the pre-race examinations and pre- and post-race testing procedures we use in order to insure the safety of the athletes and the integrity of the sport:

All Derby and Oaks horses undergo multiple examinations by KHRC veterinarians in the week preceding the races.  This protocol consists of the observation of horses under tack on the racetrack, and in-stall examinations and observation of the horse jogging in-hand in the shedrow.  These examinations are performed by experienced KHRC veterinarians.  This process is beneficial because it allows multiple sets of eyes on the horses in advance of race day.  On race day, each entered horse undergoes a pre-race examination that includes 1) confirmation of the horse's identity by lip tattoo; 2) assessment of the horse's general health and body condition score; 3) palpation and passive manipulation of both forelimbs; and, 4) assessment of the horse in motion (trot).  If, at any time, a KHRC veterinarian determines a horse to be unsound or otherwise unfit to race, he notifies the Stewards and recommends the horse be scratched.  Any horse so scratched is placed on the Veterinarians' List and is ineligible to enter until the condition warranting the scratch has been resolved to the satisfaction of the KHRC veterinarians.

With regard to testing for the presence of prohibited substances, 3 primary programs are utilized:

1)            Out of competition testing for the detection of blood doping agents and venoms or toxins that may be used to desensitize structures to mask unsoundness or injury. Sample collection for out of competition testing has been underway for several days and is ongoing.  Samples have been collected from horses in Kentucky as well as out of state.

2)            TCO2 Testing:  All horses in graded stakes, and all horses in randomly selected overnight races undergo blood sampling for the analysis of total bicarbonate to detect the prohibited      
                practice of milkshaking.

3)            Post-race testing:  Horses are selected for testing by the Stewards using the guidance provided in 801 KAR  1:130:

       The Stewards shall consider all information available, including:

      (a) The performance of a horse favored to win the race by the wagering patrons;

      (b) The performance of horses considered to be long-shots to win the race by the wagering patrons;

      (c) The betting patterns of wagering patrons;

      (d) A trainer's recent statistical performance in relation to his or her historical statistical performance; and

      (e) Security intelligence.

Each horse's paired (blood and urine) sample set is subjected to analysis with state of the art instrumentation that tests for ~1500 substances.  This scope of testing is broader and more rigorous than is used in human sport.

I appreciate your interest in the programs we have in place.   Please let me know if I can be of additional assistance, or if you require further clarification on any of the procedures I described\".

[Beginner]

Thanks for this. It\'s interesting to understand the \"process.\"  However, there would be a lot more credibility on their part were it not for Life at Ten.  Still upset about that...

[TGJB]

Miff-- I\'m with you all the way on this one. As for the response, it\'s a classic-- they told you what they claim they are doing, BUT NOT THE RESULTS OF THE TESTS. In other words, trust us. Again. Because historically that has proven to be such a good idea in this industry.

My suggestion-- email a letter to the editor of the DRF to run this Sunday. With all the crap in the air about Mo (Privman made it clear they were not being forthcoming) there\'s a good chance they will run it. The industry is running scared right now, better chance than before someone will pay attention. I would put in something like, and you wonder why handle is down?

[Silver Charm]

TGJB, please explain what you mean by \'Privman made it very clear they are not being forthcoming\"

As BIG tip of the hat from me if he is doing some digging on this.

[miff]

JB,

You may also know the person who replied,they are genuine. I posed questions which probably should have gone to Veitch also, specifically about the public having access to \"meaningful\" stuff re a horses health, not minutia.That decision probably does not belong to the head of testing.

Very disappointed that Mike Repole or anyone else thinks that serious players aren\'t smart enough to wade though whats meaningful or not if a horses health history was made public.Racing could easily provide data and make people with expertise available to somewhat educate players that are not familiar with certain medical stuff.This would be bold and innovative but will never happen, probably more for fear of backlash from the animal loons.

Mike

[TGJB]

His story on this ran in the Thursday DRF. To be clear, saying they were not forthcoming (\"didn\'t answer directly\") and saying there was something specific are not the same thing.

Paulick has done a lot on this as well. There is some chance there was no stomach problem and no antibiotics. Whether the alternatives would be better or worse is anyone\'s gues-- which is the problem. (See Paulick).