Saratoga today

[richiebee]

nyc1347 Wrote:
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> Richibee your analysis is completely off as well
> as the amounts.  What about Blind Luck at $3.60?
> or Crowded House $6.60?  those are just 2 of many
> wagers i loaded up on that made up for losses i
> took stabs on.  Its not logical to think i would
> put 4k on EVERY race.  My load up races with the
> Blind Lucks or random value stabs are much higher
> (4 times or so) my average show wager.  Even
> shipping news was an average wager as that wouldnt
> be logical to load up on either.
>
> You are also assuming that I actually played every
> wager I posted.  There are situations where i
> decide to stay away for many reasons including how
> a track plays out for the day, scratches, a horse
> being wagered down, etc.  Nothing is consistent
> with this game and I try to be as consistent as
> possible with show wagers but when i seek value in
> this game I even turn to win and/or exactas at
> times where I see overlays such as Boys at
> Toscanova today.  %95 of the wagers I do are show
> wagers but in order to make money in this game the
> approach  has to be flexible.  

NYC: Back in the 1970s a couple of young kids, maybe 7 and 9 years old, sold
a tout sheet called \"Kids Picks\" for $1 near the Clubhouse entrance at Saratoga.
Even though my feeling was these two kids were being exploited by their dad, they
seemed to be having fun so I used to buy the sheet, which was crudely hand
lettered, every day.

My point in bringing this up is to say that why spend $20 - $100 per day on a
product like ThoroGraph to come up with horses like Blind Luck (in a 6 runner
field) or the $3.10 \"overlay\" Boys at Toscanova, when there\'s a good chance I
could have gotten those selections from a 7 year old kid for $1?

I have had a gut feeling ever since you began posting this past winter. That gut
feeling is that you want some recognition for your handicapping efforts, maybe to
one day have people pay you for your opinion much the way we pay JB and
the Thorogang for their opinions and data. Maybe you even have it in your mind to
create a product which people will one day pay you for. You could call it \"Show-
Nuff\" or \"Just for Show\". Possibly your chat endeavor will be the jumping off
point for a venture such as this. (I personally like \"Showgozin\", because it fits
in with my conspiracy theory that you have been planted here by the evil East
Village Empire in order to dumb down the TG product and create havoc on the TG
board)(You also may have been planted as revenge for JB dumping the Cube on the
Raggies).

Possibly the best manner in which to assemble a following would be to win a couple
of high profile handicapping contests or maybe take down a couple of mega Pick 6
pots; to achieve either of these objectives you are probably going to have to
rethink that \"95% show wager\" strategy and play with some serious big dogs in the
win pool.

As to my analysis of your selections, I will gladly add Blind Luck and Crowded
House to your accomplishments. I will also add the \"overlaid\" Boys at Toscanova
(very very surprised that Tricky plans to train this one up to the BC Juvie) and
the two off the board selections from todays card. Forgetting about how much you
bet or what pool you wagered in, you basically made 27 selections which produced
3 winners -- Dynaslew, Blind Luck and the \"overlaid\" Boys at Toscanova. Two of
the winners were rather short priced. I know you can do better than this. Hell,
give a chimpanzee a program and a magic marker...I won\'t go there.  


 
> I think im going to start doing more analysis on
> here and in the chat room now rather than hiding
> my ways so i can open up and share my ideas
> completely rather than just opinion.  Maybe then
> people can have an idea where I am coming from and
> what my wagers are about.  Il be around ttyl

This last paragraph confirms my gut feeling. Take some advice from an older man,
a man much too old to know what \"ttyl\" means; that advice is to get a map of the
Universe and try to locate yourself. The result might surprise you.

NYC I broke a promise to myself, my fellow posters, the lecherous Bob Barker
and the entire Walton family to disappear for 3 weeks. I thought I owed you a
response, but now its gotta go, love ya, bye bye.

[TGJB]

Richie-- that one is a classic. I like Show-Nuff, myself.

[nyc1347]

> NYC: Back in the 1970s a couple of young kids,
> maybe 7 and 9 years old, sold
> a tout sheet called \"Kids Picks\" for $1 near the
> Clubhouse entrance at Saratoga.
> Even though my feeling was these two kids were
> being exploited by their dad, they
> seemed to be having fun so I used to buy the
> sheet, which was crudely hand
> lettered, every day.
>
> My point in bringing this up is to say that why
> spend $20 - $100 per day on a
> product like ThoroGraph to come up with horses
> like Blind Luck (in a 6 runner
> field) or the $3.10 \"overlay\" Boys at Toscanova,
> when there\'s a good chance I
> could have gotten those selections from a 7 year
> old kid for $1?
>



Richiebeeeeee

hahahaha loved the post!  ur too much.  lets be realistic here.  every pool is seperate from each other.  im a HUGE fish BUT its in a small pond (show pool). all your posts about me seem to try to slap some sense into my brain but  i have something going on here that has been working and will continue to do it as long as i am making profit... isnt that what this is all about?  Im OK with wagering 5k to make $2500 on something that is %80 on paper.. you are not ok with that so we have to just agree to disagree.  

ANYONE can pick numbers out of their heads but there is much more to making money.  Even if I use the thorographs and come up with a 12/1 ML that doesnt mean the horse will be value.  The public determines that and I take advantage of that with my wagers.  That 12/1 could be wagered down to one of the favorites... hell if i kno until i see the money in the pools for that given race.  Once agan the money i wager is NOT going into the betting pools.  You dont seem to understand that I am able to take advantage of track payouts for something that would be much less in person and you arent considering that gap... as well as a %3 rebate on overall wagers most of the time.  Either way we select its a true grind but neither is right or wrong.

> I have had a gut feeling ever since you began
> posting this past winter. That gut
> feeling is that you want some recognition for your
> handicapping efforts, maybe to
> one day have people pay you for your opinion much
> the way we pay JB and
> the Thorogang for their opinions and data. Maybe
> you even have it in your mind to
> create a product which people will one day pay you
> for. You could call it \"Show-
> Nuff\" or \"Just for Show\". Possibly your chat
> endeavor will be the jumping off
> point for a venture such as this. (I personally
> like \"Showgozin\", because it fits
> in with my conspiracy theory that you have been
> planted here by the evil East
> Village Empire in order to dumb down the TG
> product and create havoc on the TG
> board)(You also may have been planted as revenge
> for JB dumping the Cube on the
> Raggies).
>
> Possibly the best manner in which to assemble a
> following would be to win a couple
> of high profile handicapping contests or maybe
> take down a couple of mega Pick 6
> pots; to achieve either of these objectives you
> are probably going to have to
> rethink that \"95% show wager\" strategy and play
> with some serious big dogs in the
> win pool.
>
> As to my analysis of your selections, I will
> gladly add Blind Luck and Crowded
> House to your accomplishments. I will also add the
> \"overlaid\" Boys at Toscanova
> (very very surprised that Tricky plans to train
> this one up to the BC Juvie) and
> the two off the board selections from todays card.
> Forgetting about how much you
> bet or what pool you wagered in, you basically
> made 27 selections which produced
> 3 winners -- Dynaslew, Blind Luck and the
> \"overlaid\" Boys at Toscanova. Two of
> the winners were rather short priced. I know you
> can do better than this. Hell,
> give a chimpanzee a program and a magic marker...I
> won\'t go there.  
>
>
>  
> > I think im going to start doing more analysis
> on
> > here and in the chat room now rather than
> hiding
> > my ways so i can open up and share my ideas
> > completely rather than just opinion.  Maybe
> then
> > people can have an idea where I am coming from
> and
> > what my wagers are about.  Il be around ttyl
>
> This last paragraph confirms my gut feeling. Take
> some advice from an older man,
> a man much too old to know what \"ttyl\" means; that
> advice is to get a map of the
> Universe and try to locate yourself. The result
> might surprise you.
>
> NYC I broke a promise to myself, my fellow
> posters, the lecherous Bob Barker
> and the entire Walton family to disappear for 3
> weeks. I thought I owed you a
> response, but now its gotta go, love ya, bye bye.


The thorographs are the best thing in my opinion to happen to people like us who wager.  I spend a lot of money of these figures and have made money with no problems.  I have no secret intent on getting $1 or $10 or $100 on ANY money.  This is my life and i breathe it everyday.  The chat room is to be able to share opinions on what we all like through a racing day and nothing else. If you or anyone want to come into the room then fine.  If not, fine.. its just another tab on my browser.  

On a side note, I love the idea of Tricky saving Boys at Toscanova.  Realistically he would only be missing one race til BC day and it wouldnt be good for him to run his eyeballs out that given race for some reason and then bounce off the walls 4 weeks later on the big day.  You know how fragile these young fast horses can be so the safe route is much better in this situation especially for millions of dollars.

[Boscar Obarra]

Hey, you know if you can pick $3 payoffs that score 80% of the time, you can make a lot of money.  Lots.

 Without the muss and fuss of picking winners , exactas, or perish the thought , a pick 6.

 Nice going.

[Marlin]

I will be happy to book all the bets NYC is willing to place PRIOR to the running of the race.

[nyc1347]

lets do it Marlin.  il wager a max of 500 per show wager on each race... pay me track odds plus %3 on every wager amount.  il meet you once the Hawthorne meet starts at any track youd like.  we can clear up after every race i wager on is finished.  il buy the thorographs for the day too.

[marcus]

I would gladly take you on nyc or any of your friends - except only Stks races at Kentucky / Churchill Downs , So Cal , Woodbine,UAE or UK ( Japan if available ) . Win only - no place , no show  . I need to raise some money to write and produce a play - and pay some bills and stuff etc  . ..

[Leamas57]

Go get \'em NYC. I love this guy! Say what you want about \"The Kid.\"  He\'s got the moxy.

Leamas

[nyc1347]

il have to pass on that offer marcus but thank you.   u should kno that my m.o. is the show.  would be interesting is someone stepped up though lol  we can even start online somehow.. if i started tomorrow id CLEARLY whip out my mad handicapping claiming skillz and go with the 9 year old highweight donkey in tomorrows delaware race 5 Wander Time then id smooth it out with the last race at Suffolk downs with Lon\'s Honor \"forward\" looking pattern lol   XD  

all that aside i would gladly meet up with someone reputable on the board and we can do this in person at any track.. i think it be an interesting and most likely profitable day for me... im not cocky just confident.

[marcus]

Personally speaking ,this type of refusal is all old parlor hustler talk - with all respect  . .. nyc\'s afraid of losing a handicapping contest - plain and simple , and using a \"playing not to lose \" approach , he\'s already a beaten man and knows it imo . Sure he\'s the Show-bet man and would be out of his game in a handicapping contest - I\'ll even go half way and would be amenable to Win and Place flyer\'s  .

[P-Dub]

marcus Wrote:
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> Personally speaking ,this type of refusal is all
> old parlor hustler talk - with all respect  . ..
> nyc\'s afraid of losing a handicapping contest -
> plain and simple , and using a \"playing not to
> lose \" approach , he\'s already a beaten man and
> knows it imo . Sure he\'s the Show-bet man and
> would be out of his game in a handicapping contest
> - I\'ll even go half way and would be amenable to
> Win and Place flyer\'s  .


He never said he would win a handicapping contest, nor did he say he would bet to win or place.

He has said for some time that he bets mainly to show. Now some of the NYC haters want to change the rules. He clearly said he bets to show.

Either take his challenge, meet him at the track and book his wagers, or just keep quiet.

You guys want to bang on this guy relentlessly, here\'s your chance to take him on.  Its one thing to come on here and cheap shot the guy, but when he calls you all out for a challenge I don\'t see many lining up to book his SHOW wagers.

If he is as bad as some of you claim, you should board the first plane to any track you guys can agree on.

Puffing up and being a smart alec on a message board is one thing, go meet the guy and take is money.

[TGJB]

NYC-- you are one clueless kid, no doubt. I did you the favor of admonishing you in private up to now, no more.

You get three posts a day from now on, and you already know the rules, both for posts and person-to-person emails. Handicapping (not betting) posts are fine, stop cluttering my board with all the other garbage. Cross any of the lines and you will have to do your social networking somewhere else.

Woooooooooooooooooooooo!

[marcus]

P-Dub , Your being disrespectful to yourself - I offered to take on Nyc\'s friends in a \"Handicapping \" contest as well - so get over it . Recommending show wagering to others as viable is egregiously wrong imo .

[P-Dub]

Why is that Marcus??  I don\'t need to \"get over\" anything.

I merely said if the guy is a bad as you think he is, take him up on his offer. Simple enough??

You\'re entitled to your opinion on how he wagers.  But if show wagering is such an awful thing, or as you stated, \"egregiously wrong\", then take him up on his offer.

Not hard to grasp. You think he sucks, loses money, wagers like a crazy man. Instead of shaping the competition in a different way, let him make his show bets, the bets you think are horrible, and take his money.

I never said I endorse his way of playing.

Last comment on this as I don\'t want to clutter the board on nyc subjects, JB just posted about the board clutter. PM the guy, meet at a track, and book his show wagers. Simple enough.

[Lost Cause]

I have to agree with P-Dub on this.  You guys are trying to change the rules on NYC.  Take his show wagers at any track he desires give him his 3% rebate and see what happens. I actually would be interested in finding out the results.  Two posters offered to take him on so far.  One changed the rules and the other has not responded so far.

It\'s simple, if you think it\'s easy money to take from him go get it..but you can\'t just change the rules on him.