Road Warriers

[HP]

http://www.nfl.com/players/joenamath/profile?id=NAM415291

If you look at the last few years, you\'ll see why the career TD/INT ratio looks the way it does...  

The best comparison I can make with Joe Namath is...Koufax.  Except Koufax delivered just a little longer.  Namath was out for most of two years in his prime, and when he came back the teams he played for were bad.  He was never the same after that guy on the Colts killed him when he was doubled over (linebacker - Stan White? - what was that guy\'s name?).  

It\'s hard to imagine what he would have done in this current \"roughing the passer\" era.  They used to UNLOAD on him and he would be standing there like a statue.

[TGJB]

There is probably someplace you can get the quarterback ratings for that era, even though they invented the stat later. I would love to know how Namath compared to others (like Roman Gabriel, who almost never got picked off, to take one). And that\'s leaving aside the question of winning %.

[HP]

http://www.nfl.com/players/romangabriel/profile?id=GAB616560

Here are Gabriel\'s career stats.  He was very good...  He probably played...50-60 more games than Namath, so it took him like FOUR full seasons to put up just 28 more TDs and less than 2,000 more yards.  These stats lack the upside of Namath\'s best years for sure.  

Plus I would not say these stats do not demonstrate that Gabriel NEVER got picked off, although his ratio is obviously a lot better than Namath\'s...

Give it up Jerry.  Namath was not over-rated.  He\'s Hall of Fame all the way.  Everybody recognizes the guy\'s limitations...  He was only really healthy for like 4 or 5 full seasons...

[HP]

Last word...

We could probably agree that stat-wise the best two from 60\'s were

Sonny Jurgensen
Johnny U

Happy New Year all...

[TGJB]

Someone just sent me the lifetime QB ratings going into 2004. Yes, the more modern players are near top (Warner was #1 at that point), though Otto Graham and Montana are top 10.

Namath was 123rd. Pretty much everyone from his era was ahead of him-- Gabriel, Lamonica, you name it. Staubach, Griese, Jurgenson and Dawson are all at least 100 places above him.

[TGAB]

HP--You do a great disservice to Koufax by comparing him to Namath. I do see where you\'re going with this--both were ouchy, had supreme tools and a short period wherein with those tools they achieved a level(s) of brilliance. But as brilliant and clutch as Namath was that one SB season, his overall performance that year or any other for that matter was never on a par with the brilliance of Koufax from what 1962-1966. Those five years he was arguably the best pitcher in baseball bar none--the argument,if there was one, was whether Marichal (underrated), Gibson, Drysdale or any other in that period even came close to Koufax that year. Remember Gibson\'s nosebleed season was I think 1968. That\'s an argument that Namath never got involved in--he wasn\'t the paragon by which others were measured at least not on the football field.

Namath was flamboyant and talented like Favre. Also like Favre, he had tendency to think his arm strength and desire could overcome bad decisions. Of course, they didn\'t.    

But Koufax in that five year period was on much higher plane of accomplishment.

[smalltimer]

In my humble opinion, the 4 best \"arms\" I\'ve seen in professional football are Namath, Marino, Elway and Favre.  They all had cannons, and they all threw a lot of INT\'s in their career.  They all stuck around about 2 years too long.  
For pure precision, I gotta go with Montana, but he had such a great scheme and supporting cast.  Not even close to the others physically, but he could kill you rolling out either direction and buying time, plus I think Montana is the best I\'ve seen at throwing the ball on the run.  A real pain in the ass for any defense.

[Uncle Buck]

Charm. I\'m holding a $2,000 Hard Rock Hotel Sports book future ticket on the Chargers to win it all at 10-1. I placed the bet in August. I doubt they\'ll beat Pitt or Tenn on the road but we probably all said the same thing about the G-Men going into Dallas and GB last year. Fingers are crossed!

[HP]

Alan,

You are correct.  I stretched too far on Koufax...  You know what a gracious guy I am...  Tell Jerry I will take Namath over Lamonica, Dawson or quite a few others on that list any day...if I\'m getting 67-69 vintage Joe Willie...  

Happy New Year...  HP!

[Silver Charm]

Buck this was a good wager when you made it.

But this coming weekend since you are on the other side you are tugging on \"Supermans Cape\".

This will be one of those games that comes down to who has the ball last.

EVERYBODY HAVE A HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!

[HP]

Smalltimer,

Marino\'s TD/INT ratio BLOWS AWAY the other three you mention.  Not even close.

[HP]

ST - Actually wrong...Favre is not as bad as I thought.

[Silver Charm]

HP,

Lamonica\'s backup (Blanda) won as many MVP\'s as Joe Willie and Lamonica won the head-to-head in the Heida Game

[HP]

http://snarkerati.com/movie-news/files/2007/11/joe-namath.jpg

[drbillym]

You were right on Philly ain\'t gonna lose, P\'dub.  Any thoughts on today?  I need some help here as I bet on Saarland in the derby!