Old Fashioned

[Silver Charm]

>Nothing wrong with the race, and it fits with the day.

Jerry this race almost sounds Chilukki like. Did you consider giving the race a box? Could you post the rest of the day showing how it fits so well.

For gods sake you guys only gave Ghostzapper a 5 first time out while the Raggie boys 3\'d him.

Is Old Fashioned that much better than Ghostzapper?

[Uncle Buck]

Just watched the Remsen for the first time. I couldn\'t help but notice how much OF looked like Rockport Habor coming down the lane. Same colors, same face, same head and same speed. The 1 fig is pretty spectacular when you consider he rode the rail the whole way around there

[TGJB]

Huh? The Chilukki race was the first race of the day, and as you recall it was dry unsealed for that one,wet unsealed for the second, and wet sealed for the rest. There were only two horses in her race that had ever started (once each). No way to do a figure.

The Delaware race came in the middle of the card, track fast all day, no weather.
There were four sprints on the day, I took off one point (made faster) one of them, took off two points from another, and ADDED half a point to the other two-- one of which was Old Fashioned\'s race.

Don\'t know what Ghostzapper has to do with this, and we make figures to compare performances, not horses. OF as a 2yo vs. GZ as an older horse is apples to oranges.

OF actually did not get quite as good a figure in the Remsen, though he probably was not all out, and we gave him an \"H?\". It\'s also good to hear his connections are going to give him a break-- maybe they learned something from Eight Belles.

And by the way, a first time starter on the same day as the Remsen got about the same figure OF did when he broke his maiden.

[Silver Charm]

>The Chilukki race was the first race of the day, and as you recall it was dry unsealed for that one

Jerry it was damp sealed for that first one. That is why she set a track record going 4 and 1/2. The track speed was different for every race after that one and the race was loaded with baby 2YO filly first time starters. So how the Ragozin group came up with the ~6 they gave her and Beyer came up with the 109 he gave was legitmate to debate. Except none of the above really wanted to debate it. hmmmmmm.  

But I quote you in regards to Len Friedmans figure making methodology for that number,

\"He made it up.\"

So I believe it was a legitimate question for the Old Fashioned maiden figure. Did you make it up? Sounds like there were other races to tie it to and there was very little variance in the track speed on that day, if any. So it looks like you guys did your homework before assigning the figure.

However a 2YO first time starter getting a 1. By 2010 they will all be negative numbers.............

[TGJB]

We could go back and do a search of this site to see which it was, but the point was that it was sealed for one of the first two and not for the other, and started raining during the second. And yeah, we try to do our homework.

If I was going to \"make up\" a figure, why would I make it super fast?

[Silver Charm]

>but the point was that it was sealed for one of the first two and not for the other

Jerry it was damp sealed for the first. Rain was supposed to be coming and the track crew tried to get ahead of it by dampening and sealing it tight. When they realized after the first they had it to tight they harrowed it. Then the rain came after the second.

The only reason I was there, was it was Derby week it was the first race and April Mayberry who was working for Baffert then had tipped out Chilukki to a friend of hers and mine. We bet her ok but Baffert was there and so was Pegram who bet a stack the size of a large brick.

Chilukki didn\'t pay like Ruffian first out but she sure won like her.

[TGJB]

First time out Bold Forbes went off 35-1 at El Commandante in a 6 horse field. Won by 17. You would have thought somebody knew.