Regarding Friedman's Almost Unbelievable Post

[TGJB]

I\'m not even going to deal with Friedman\'s incredible assertion that ground loss only matters on part of the turn-- for which you would have to believe that centrifugal force only exists on part of the turn, and that it EXACTLY cancels out the effects of ground loss when it does exist-- and just say this:
 
Everyone who has the BC on tape should look to see what path Touch Of The Blues is in on the second turn-- count the horses inside him. Please feel free to come back here and post your findings. Also, while you are at it, look at the other four examples I gave of mistakes they made (Ragozin cup half full).

[kev]

Ground loss is overrated anyways. Yes, if a horse is going really really wide, then i guess it would have some impact on the overall figure.

[Two Bucks]

If Donald Groth ends up getting fired by Catskill OTB, he can always get a job with the Raggies explaining how they come up with some of their numbers.

[Phil Mandl]

There\'s an empty bed awaiting Mr. Groth in the Schenectady County Jail. His cell mate is going to be former Capital OTB CEO Mr. Davis Etkin!

[TGJB]

Now that I\'ve had a night to think about it, I want to add a couple of points.

1- Friedman\'s ridiculous explanation of how ground loss should be calculated isn\'t just incorrect, it isn\'t even true that they do it that way. They show Composure as being wider on the turn than Storm Flag Flying (remember, these are all about only the second turn, because that\'s all Ragozin shows on his product). Well, Composure was inside the other filly on the turn, EXCEPT for the very part of the turn Friedman says they don\'t use. His whole post is stonewalling, and it\'s pure, unadulterated BS.

2- Again, unlike with the other disputes, there is no element of this that is a question of opinion or subjective. It\'s a factual question-- and every one of you can go watch a replay to see who got it right, and who is telling the truth now . And you can do it with all five examples I gave you.

3- Here\'s the big one, for everyone who has a working brain and self interest. Paul originally spotted the discrepencies  (about 15 of them), and I spent a night looking at the tapes making sure that our trackman (Roger Vice) got it right. In every one of the 15 cases he did. So I picked out  5 clear cases to use as examples.
   Even if you only count those 5, it\'s only on one turn, AND IT\'S ON RACING\'S BIGGEST DAY. This is an outfit that claims super accuracy. How accurate do you think they are day in and day out, even before you get to the question of how they do track speeds?