Huckabee

[bobphilo]

And in England they can do it legally at their local betting shop.

Bob

[richiebee]

Michael:

I do not know from the 501s, but to a certain New York Mayor the only digits
that seem to matter are 911. America\'s Adulterer is trying to convince the
voters in this country that he was somehow extremely courageous or
administratively brilliant in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks; the truth
is although he shouldered a greater burden than any other individual, he
basically did what all New Yorkers did--he assessed the damage, he mourned the
dead, he moved forward. I am sure that Koch, Dinkins or Bloomberg all could
have put on a windbreaker and a hardhat and said all the necessary things the
same way that Rudy did.

Rudy likes to make it seem like we rallied around him after 9/11, like we were
following HIM into battle. B--ls--t! Stop making yourself bigger than the day
itself. Stop making yourself out to be the biggest hero on that day, because
you weren\'t.

Rudy rose to the lofty perch of America\'s Mayor on the backs of a lot of civil
servants, many of whom now would no longer support him.

Rudy likes to take credit for cleaning up crime in New York. His detractors will
say that William Bratton should be given credit for that. Guiliani detractors
also might mention another Rudy Commish, Bernie Kerik.

Rudy the big Fed prosecutor-- it wasnt until RG already had his feet up in
Gracie Mansion that the Feds got crafty enough to eliminate John Gotti\'s legal
muscle, Bruce Cutler, and bring a case which stuck to the Teflon Don.

And I know personal issues should not matter, but Rudy the Courageous? Rudy the
Brave? His second wife found out he was divorcing her because she saw him say
it at a PRESS CONFERENCE.

The only positive aspect of a RG presidency would be that his third wife, La
Judith, would make us all long for the days that Nancy Reagan recruited an
astrologist to help out running the country.

Hey were doing OK here in NYC. Plenty of construction (more scaffolding than I
can ever remember), plenty of chain smoking euro tourists clogging the streets.
NYC picked itself up after 911, dusted itself off and moved forward. But this
NYers opinion is that it does not have as much to do with anything RG did as RG
would like to have you believe.

When I look at RG, I get the same feeling that a clairvoyant Christopher Walken
got when he shook Pres candidate Martin Sheen\'s hand in the movie \"The Dead
Zone\".

Gotta go bet FG.

Speaking of McCain-- GW Bush\'s nickname for the ex POW-- \"Hogan\".

Post Script-- as JB says, the Bloomberg factor is huge. Mayor Mike is no big
fan of Rudy; if it looks like RG is making gains I would not be surprised to see
Mayor Mike jump in and put an end to any hopes of a Rudy presidency

[TGJB]

Richiebee-- Amen, and then some, on other issues. The rest of the country really has no idea how New Yorkers feel about Rudy (yet). My guess is that if they ran against each other one on one, Bloomberg would get 70% of the NYC vote.

I mean, it\'s been awful quiet around here the last few years, in a city not known for that.

[Michael D.]

richiebee Wrote:
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> Michael:
>
> I do not know from the 501s, but to a certain New
> York Mayor the only digits
> that seem to matter are 911. America\'s Adulterer
> is trying to convince the
> voters in this country that he was somehow
> extremely courageous or
> administratively brilliant in the aftermath of the
> terrorist attacks; the truth
> is although he shouldered a greater burden than
> any other individual, he
> basically did what all New Yorkers did--he
> assessed the damage, he mourned the
> dead, he moved forward. I am sure that Koch,
> Dinkins or Bloomberg all could
> have put on a windbreaker and a hardhat and said
> all the necessary things the
> same way that Rudy did.
>
> Rudy likes to make it seem like we rallied around
> him after 9/11, like we were
> following HIM into battle. B--ls--t! Stop making
> yourself bigger than the day
> itself. Stop making yourself out to be the biggest
> hero on that day, because
> you weren\'t.
>
> Rudy rose to the lofty perch of America\'s Mayor on
> the backs of a lot of civil
> servants, many of whom now would no longer support
> him.
>
> Rudy likes to take credit for cleaning up crime in
> New York. His detractors will
> say that William Bratton should be given credit
> for that. Guiliani detractors
> also might mention another Rudy Commish, Bernie
> Kerik.
>
> Rudy the big Fed prosecutor-- it wasnt until RG
> already had his feet up in
> Gracie Mansion that the Feds got crafty enough to
> eliminate John Gotti\'s legal
> muscle, Bruce Cutler, and bring a case which stuck
> to the Teflon Don.
>
> And I know personal issues should not matter, but
> Rudy the Courageous? Rudy the
> Brave? His second wife found out he was divorcing
> her because she saw him say
> it at a PRESS CONFERENCE.
>
> The only positive aspect of a RG presidency would
> be that his third wife, La
> Judith, would make us all long for the days that
> Nancy Reagan recruited an
> astrologist to help out running the country.
>
> Hey were doing OK here in NYC. Plenty of
> construction (more scaffolding than I
> can ever remember), plenty of chain smoking euro
> tourists clogging the streets.
> NYC picked itself up after 911, dusted itself off
> and moved forward. But this
> NYers opinion is that it does not have as much to
> do with anything RG did as RG
> would like to have you believe.
>
> When I look at RG, I get the same feeling that a
> clairvoyant Christopher Walken
> got when he shook Pres candidate Martin Sheen\'s
> hand in the movie \"The Dead
> Zone\".
>
> Gotta go bet FG.
>
> Speaking of McCain-- GW Bush\'s nickname for the ex
> POW-- \"Hogan\".
>
> Post Script-- as JB says, the Bloomberg factor is
> huge. Mayor Mike is no big
> fan of Rudy; if it looks like RG is making gains I
> would not be surprised to see
> Mayor Mike jump in and put an end to any hopes of
> a Rudy presidency


thanks Richie, but I\'ll focus on taxes, trade, health care, Iraq, and a few other issues.

btw, how much Daily News have you been reading recently? switch over to some time with C-SPAN. the 501\'s are more important than Judith or Nancy Reagan\'s astrologist.

and, in the end, Rudy\'s inability to provide a logical plan to end the conflict in Iraq will likely have me looking elsewhere for President. John McCain certainly does not pass the test either.

and cheer up Richie - I\'m not sure your tone is a winning one in the current environment.

[marcus]

It should be relatively easy to tell if the current or ex-NY City mayors quest to be Pres is really a viable one . Just consider whether a \"Cobra\" program will work on an international level ? or , Will \"Tennis for Peace\" work ? and what about , \"Red Sox Nation\" in the White House makes sense - right  ?  ...

[purplemike]

The race for president is about as important as the 3rd race at delta downs. I don\'t bet delta downs, so it has no significance at all, which is true with the president\'s race. Like it really matters who the president is when the multi-national corporations control everything.

[docicu3]

Silver Charm Wrote:
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> Play a McCain/Huckabee BOX and bet the mortgage in
> the general election.
>
> Hillary is washed out badly in the paddock and
> kicking her stall. Obama is a Grade III type
> getting good at the right time.

If Hillary doesn\'t finish ITM in New Hampshire it will be time to have her euthanized or turned out for breeding......either way the country is stronger but Bill\'s in for an insufferable 2008.......