handicapping

jd2131 · December 02, 2006, 05:43:09 AM

Not sure how horses/trainers can be accurately handicapped,when it seems not honest information is given.Todays card at Aqueduct has horse owned bystable(don\'t want to mention name,anyone that follows the races ,I am sure will pick up on this)Stable employs at the moment 2 different trainers at same location,and from race to race,same horse goes back and forth from being trained by both trainers.This has happend with horses owned by same stable often over the past couple of months.One of the trainers named is not even on the grounds.I would like to know who is actually training these horses.I find it very confusing to handicap this particular stable of horses.

basket777 · December 02, 2006, 04:10:07 PM

read the sheets and the pattern will let you project what the horse should do

marcus · December 02, 2006, 06:21:02 PM

thats right - and at this time of year , some of the late season 2yo races can make for some very interesting \" sheet reading \" in terms patterns etc for younger horse\'s who are at various stages of development ...

basket777 · December 02, 2006, 08:05:21 PM

love the circle around 2 yr old

marcus · December 03, 2006, 08:23:01 AM

understanding what those 2 yo number\'s and patterns mean is significant and very helpfull in determining what next is likely in general terms of development for given race horse .

3yo patterns and the numbers much of the time are a result of what the horse did as a 2yo , the triple crown trail is an exagerated example of this .

i\'m not seeing a 2yo crop this year looking superior to that of any in the decade or so .

this might be a good time for speed figure handicappers of all skill levels and accument to start pounding the tg red board room to see at tracks they usually don\'t follow , what is taking place right now in the 2 yo scene with respect to the numbers run and the kind of patterns they put together .

today at aqi -4- mary\'s prospect is one who could \"get back\" but more rest coming into today\'s race would really help that senario - this horse will be from an outside post and if she has to lose ground , i\'m hoping she\'ll be wide of the type of trouble one can run into in these kind of races with young , inexperienced race horse\'s boring in and out , altering paths , racing greenly all over the track etc .

normally i\'d probably pass on this , but it\'s the 1st of 10 races for the ntra/drf/tvg online vegas finals qualifier contest i\'m hoping for the best - it isn\'t a great position to be in from the get go , but i\'ll take it ...

marcus · December 03, 2006, 09:44:15 AM

thanks to added consultation and consideration from tg and richiebee ( they can practically read my mind ) ... i\'m going w/ the paraneck stable\'s horse in race -4- @ aqi today . 2 yo races are generally tough and this one is no exception . win or lose - cabbage patch gal is the right play ...

davidrex · December 03, 2006, 11:02:20 AM

Paraneck ALWAYS

davidrex · December 03, 2006, 11:04:35 AM

As I was saying;Paraneck ALWAYS bet their well intended animals...check to see if horse is live on the board

jd2131 · December 03, 2006, 11:18:09 AM

like to know who actually trains for this stable....

marcus · December 03, 2006, 11:28:56 AM

Well CPG loaded professionally and looked game , just wasn\'t her day - tough race to handicapp the 4th at Aqi and probably was at least a good example of a race to get in lite with ( if at all ) and where a modest approach to a wagering strategy is best . except for the super ( $ 17k ) - the exacta and trifecta prices considering their odds, were kind of chinsy ...

My best longshots in the contest today are aqi-7- 12-1 Keuka Maid / FG-6- 6-1 Bubba Swayback / hol-6- 15-1 Gobblers Knob / hol-8- 8-1 Tanta Suerte , but I know I\'ll need much than that - including a couple chalks like cat\'s lad at aqi-6 and miss silver springs at hol-5- . in the remaining contest races it looks like fg-7- Orange Crush / FG-8- Who\'s Zary Now / Hol-7- Spy Aly .

marcus · December 03, 2006, 11:48:10 AM

jd - yeah i know what you mean . honestly , richiebee told me about paraneck stable , i had to check to see who was the trainer too .
i guess as a handicapper i\'m still a sort of 2 yo ... check out the tg web site , in addition to the race of the week , there\'s alot of imformation discussing and dealing with patterns and development at all stages of a race horse\'s career ... Also,trainer and bredding information can be referenced on the sheet ...