Trevor Denman

[NoCarolinaTony]

Ain\'t that America in 2006.

This is supposed to be the best of the best, and we all want to be softy feely with this. That\'s fine. This is all wimpy....to me anyway.

Horses falling,never being mentioned even after the race,  Not seeing horses come down the rail, mispronunciations are all acceptable for the greatest day in racing.

My question to youwould be would this have been an interview for the job, and you were the boss making the hire, would you hire someone who made that many mistakes in an audition?

NC Tony

 

[NoCarolinaTony]

Do you think the TVG gig (not a magna corp) has anything to do with it?

His style is not exactly my favorite. Hope he finds a good gig. Hey Maybe the Aqueduct Inner  meet?

NC Tony

[NoCarolinaTony]

Phil Saltzman (spelling?) Retired. He had some health issues and was getting on in years as wel.

NC Tony

[MO]

Possibly. I can tell you about a personal experience where he insulted me on TVG, or maybe his ego was just so big the Magna decided he wasn\'t worth the bucks.

However,in his defense, he did give my band a good intro at the Florida Derby and a good send off and his race calls are quite accurrate. So what it all boils down to is - personal taste.

[MO]

NoCarolinaTony Wrote:
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> Ain\'t that America in 2006.
>
> This is supposed to be the best of the best, and
> we all want to be softy feely with this. That\'s
> fine. This is all wimpy....to me anyway.
>
> Horses falling,never being mentioned even after
> the race,  Not seeing horses come down the rail,
> mispronunciations are all acceptable for the
> greatest day in racing. OK. LET\'S SAY YOU ARE THE ANNOUNCER IN THIS SITUATION.
WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE? MAKE PEOPLE PUKE WITH A GRAPHIC DESCRIPTION OF THE INJURY, OR FOCUS ON THE HORSES RUNNING FOR THE TRIFECTA? REMEMBER, YOU HAVE A SPLIT SECOND TO MAKE THAT DECISCION, WHILE 75,000 LIVE PATRONS ARE COUNTING ON YOU.
>
> My question to youwould be would this have been an
> interview for the job, and you were the boss
> making the hire, would you hire someone who made
> that many mistakes in an audition?

GREAT QUESTION, NCT. IF I WERE THE CZAR OF RACING I WOULD MAKE EVERYONE FROM THE HOTWALKER TO THE PRESIDENT AUDITION FOR ME. AND GUESS WHAT? I\'D HAVE A HARD TIME HIRING MOST OF THEM.  BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT THEY ARE ALL HUMAN, AND THUS PRONE TO ERROR - REGULARLY. THIS IS WHY A LOT OF PEOPLE, BTW, HAVE A HARD TIME DEALING WITH ME. BECAUSE I AM NO BETTER THAN ANYONE, AND NO BODY IS BETTER THAN ME, AND I MAKE THAT CLEAR WHEN I MEET SOMEONE FOR THE FIRST TIME. I DON\'T CALL MY BOSS MISTER, I CALL HIM BY HIS FIRST NAME.>
>
> NC Tony
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>  
>
>

[P-Dub]

NCT,

An interview also includes a resume, and Denman\'s is impressive. He was hired based on his resume, not on an audition.  His audition includes 1000\'s of race calls already on tape.

I would hate to think that anyone would fire an obviously qualified employee based on a bad day.  You would run through a lot of excellent people with that attitude.  I wouldn\'t call that wimpy, I would call that being smart.

Also,  enough with the non-call of Pine Island.  As previously mentioned many times, he had just completed calling the ENTIRE field and focused back on the horses at the front of the pack.  Pine Island fell just after he went back to calling the horses in front. Yes, at some point he should have noticed this. But if he never gives her a call,  whats the difference?? Whether she broke down or didn\'t fire,  she had no impact on the race.

I enjoy a great race call as much as the next fan. Maybe Denman doesn\'t have the dramatic flair of Durkin, but his calls on a daily basis inspire and excite as much as anyone\'s.  I have watched many BC races over and over because of Durkin\'s great calls.  I have also done the same with a lot of Denman\'s.  But lets stop with the slobbering over Durkin.  He can be as biased as they come.  Witness the 1989 Classic between the great Sunday Silence and Easy Goer.  Sunday Silence had that horse measured the entire trip, yet Durkin breathlessly called Easy Goer\'s stretch run by ending with Sunday Silence \"holds on\".  As if the only reason poor Easy Goer lost was because he ran out of ground,  not becasue he lost to a better horse.  Pathetic,  where was the professionalism in that??  Even on the gallop out he was still bemoaning the fact Easy Goer lost, maybe because he just tore up his tickets for the 3rd time in 4 races between those two.

Before you blast Denman, be a little bit more even handed in your criticisms.

[NoCarolinaTony]

MO Wrote:
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> NoCarolinaTony Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Ain\'t that America in 2006.
> >
> > This is supposed to be the best of the best,
> and
> > we all want to be softy feely with this.
> That\'s
> > fine. This is all wimpy....to me anyway.
> >
> > Horses falling,never being mentioned even
> after
> > the race,  Not seeing horses come down the
> rail,
> > mispronunciations are all acceptable for the
> > greatest day in racing. OK. LET\'S SAY YOU ARE
> THE ANNOUNCER IN THIS SITUATION.
> WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE? MAKE PEOPLE PUKE WITH A
> GRAPHIC DESCRIPTION OF THE INJURY, OR FOCUS ON THE
> HORSES RUNNING FOR THE TRIFECTA? REMEMBER, YOU
> HAVE A SPLIT SECOND TO MAKE THAT DECISCION, WHILE
> 75,000 LIVE PATRONS ARE COUNTING ON YOU.

No BUT SINCE THE HORSE WAS THE SECOND BETTING CHOICE and I was at Churchill you had people all around asking 1) Where is Pine Island? What happened to her? I bet on her ...That should have been either during and for sure after the race. We didn\'t have access to the TV nor did the TV ever show it in the replay. So we had to speculate. Great job.
> >
> > My question to youwould be would this have
> been an
> > interview for the job, and you were the boss
> > making the hire, would you hire someone who
> made
> > that many mistakes in an audition?
>
> GREAT QUESTION, NCT. IF I WERE THE CZAR OF RACING
> I WOULD MAKE EVERYONE FROM THE HOTWALKER TO THE
> PRESIDENT AUDITION FOR ME. AND GUESS WHAT? I\'D
> HAVE A HARD TIME HIRING MOST OF THEM.  BUT THE
> BOTTOM LINE IS THAT THEY ARE ALL HUMAN, AND THUS
> PRONE TO ERROR - REGULARLY. THIS IS WHY A LOT OF
> PEOPLE, BTW, HAVE A HARD TIME DEALING WITH ME.
> BECAUSE I AM NO BETTER THAN ANYONE, AND NO BODY IS
> BETTER THAN ME, AND I MAKE THAT CLEAR WHEN I MEET
> SOMEONE FOR THE FIRST TIME. I DON\'T CALL MY BOSS
> MISTER, I CALL HIM BY HIS FIRST NAME.>
> >
> > NC Tony
> >
> >  
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

[MO]

OK NCT,

I Understand your point about Pine being 2nd choice getting no call:

However, YOU are an astute handicapper and viewer of races. YOU saw the horse go down. Do YOU really NEED a track announcer?

I\'m gonna PM you with an eye opener.

[NoCarolinaTony]

I\'d be perplexed because the resume\' and the audition tape are not consistent not aligned.

You just don\'t get it.

I\'m at the track  (Churchill on BC Day) and not watching on TV. I had some exacta\'s and tri\'s bet that included Pine Island. Never got a replay, never got a mention on the public address system. We did here that Fleet Indian pulled up on the turn... so we all had was a guess at what had happened to her. We heard the crowd gasp, but had no idea why.

No we don\'t want a gory description of the injury, just a position statement of fact is what was needed. Even after the race was over would have sufficed.

All I can say is this is supposed to be the Best of the best. I understand you are a compassionate person or persons in this case and you tolerate human error. Kudo\'s to you.
 
I have compassion for him. Really felt bad for him, sincerely was expecting much more. Was hard to witness blunder after blunder race after race. Kind of bad for such an experienced pro with an outstanding resume\' as you say. He sounded like the way Willie Mays looked when he played center field for the NY Mets in 1973 past his prime.

You love Denman as a race caller. I get it.


NC Tony

[NoCarolinaTony]

What\'s that mean?

NC Tony

[MO]

Forgive me, but I don\'t understand your question. What\'s what mean?

[NoCarolinaTony]

I\'m gonna PM you with an eye opener.

I was asking for clarification to this statement?

Not sure of what you meant but I get it now.....

NC Tony

[MO]

Cool. I think we are done now, Jerry.

[Sandreadis]

How about Denmans call in the Sprint of \"Attila\'s Storm running a big one here today\" at the 1/16th pole. He was tiring and it was clear that Thors Echo was going to win.He finished 5th. If you had money on Attila and the track announcer is telling you that your horse is running a big one, wouldn\'t you expect to be in the exacta?? I knew it was a bad call the moment I heard it.  

[P-Dub]

NCT,

I\'ll just let this go.  Blunder after blunder, race after race is not accurate.  If stating those non-facts allows you to continue hoisting the Durkin flag,  then good for you.

I do get it.  You like Durkin better.  Just don\'t give me this best of the best crap.  Durkin aint perfect either.