Just A Reminder

[TGJB]

Len-- since your recent post about \"essential dishonesty\" mentioned things you read here, you must also have read my post showing that the ground you guys used for Barbaro in the Derby was wrong BY 3 PATHS, meaning you got the figure wrong for the winner of the Kentucky Derby by 1 1/2 points. By now you must have checked and realized we were right.

Anyway, I just wanted to remind you they are drawing the Preakness today, and that Barbaro will be the favorite. Since your customers talk often about relying on tiny little differences when they make pattern reads, I know you\'ll fix it before you publish.

And to any Ragozin customers who read this-- do you think there is any chance that if someone publicly accused us of making this kind of mistake I wouldn\'t address it publicly? This isn\'t a judgment call-- it\'s a matter of fact.

So Len-- if you are not going to fix it, please tell us what ground you used for the first four finishers. We don\'t want anyone to think you guys are essentially dishonest.

[tmcdevitt]

Who does Len post as?

[P-Dub]

Robespierre

[TGJB]

Right. And for those who missed it, somebody (not me) took my post at the top of this string and put it up over there, where there were a couple of responses to it, and then about 45 minutes later it was \"disappeared\", with no response, as if it never happened. It should be obvious to anyone following the history that if they had a response they would love to stick it to me, so their failure to do so becomes evidence they don\'t. And their failure to change a figure they know is significantly wrong-- on the Derby winner, by 1 1/2 points, or the major beaten length error in the 04 Derby-- is evidence of... what?

 Most of Ragozin\'s customers are old-timers that don\'t use computers and buy hardcopy at the tracks or have sheets shipped, so they don\'t know there\'s an issue. And that\'s Friedman\'s calculation-- better to have a few people know than have many see they have changed a figure that important, and ask why. But you have to wonder about those who go online, know about this issue and all the other outright mistakes I\'ve brought up just in BIG races, and don\'t utter a peep-- as Terry Malloy said, \"I was rattin\' on myself all those years\".

And of course, it makes you wonder about all the day-to-day work, since you would think they might pay a little extra attention to the Derby (which has a 20 horse field, so we have 3 different people do ground, and check them against each other).

If anybody sees a set of Ragozin\'s Preakness sheets, I would love to know whether they fixed that error.

[kev]

0+ for Bar. and 3\" for BD

[TGJB]

Right, that\'s what they posted on their site originally. In other words, they made a decision not to fix it.

[JAKE]

I saw that post on the Ragozin BB.

They not only took it down, but banned the user\'s password (a friend of mine) from posting again.

Go Figure.

[TGJB]

That\'ll teach him.

[marcus]

At the Races Beyond\'s live braodcast eariler in the week , of which I am a regular listener , had Kiaran Mclaughlin saying Rags gave Barbaro a Neg 1 in the Derby . It definately didn\'t make sense when I heard that and am still hoping he meant his Preakness Horse was going to run a number Like ( That ) Now  ...