ZITO and LUKAS

[jbelfior]

Even Belmont Park, with its wide sweeping turns and 1 1/2 circumference is not big enough to accomodate the size of their egos.

ZITO & LUKAS think they are the Triple Crown and have made a mockery of it this year by running horses that were either over the top, gutted, or simply not good enough.    

Most likely they will both be back on June 11th to burn more money, most of it at the expense of name or color lovers. The rest of us have hopefully wised up.



Good Luck,
Joe B.

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

Zito is sending Pinpoint from the Sir Barton and Andromeda\'s Hero. The latter might be worth a look after reviewing the Derby some more. If he was down inside he would deserve some consideration.

[jbelfior]

Burn baby, burn.



Good Luck,
Joe B.

[richiebee]

Zito and Lukas continue to focus on the Triple Crown, and owners continue to pipeline
them prospects.

Sometimes when I see a Lukas entry like Going Wild, I think about Jack Nicklaus announcement that he will be playing his final British Open. For the last few years, he has dragged himself to the tournament in ill health and with poor game. It was sad to watch, because Nicklaus had almost fooled himself into thinking that the event could not go on without him. I think D Wayne feels the same way about the Triple Crown races.

And then again, there was Commendable...

[jimbo66]

Commendable is on most people\'s list of \"worst winners of a Triple Crown race\".

However, what Lukas did this year takes the cake.  Commendable was only 14-1 that year and did not come into the race off of resounding defeats.  No, he didn\'t \"class up\", nor was he \"fast enough\", but he wasn\'t thrashed.

Look at what Lukas did this year.  HE gets beat 41 lengths in the Wood.  For most trainers, that would be enough to discourage them.  He decides \"the race is too bad to be true\", so he wheels him back in the Lexington against a lousy field.  He gets beat 17 lengths there, another thrashing.  He comes back with \"some horses don\'t like Keenland\" as his impetus for running in the Derby.  He gets beat 29 in the Derby.  Another thrashing, and his new line is \"the pace got him, I feel we should persever with this horse\".  Then he gets beat by 40 in the Preakness.

Now he says \"we want to get back to what this horse does best, which is sprinting\"

They should immediately revoke his Hall of Fame status.  It is shocking to see the Lewis\'s be a part of this years mess with that horse, as they have always come across as classy.  And when Consolidator got hurt before the Derby, both Lukas and the Lewises said all the right things and took it in stride.  

Apparently they took it out on Going Wild......

[J-DUB]

Chuckles,
Interesting article in today\'s Lexington Herald Leader. Talking about the \"new breed\" of trainers in the Triple Crown races. 8 of last 9 TC winners were trained by guys winning their first TC race. It quoted Zito as saying \" It just shows that the game is on the level.\" \" The fancy guys shouldn\'t win all the time. That\'s no good.\"
Wow!

[Silver Charm]

The guy ran a rabbit in the Derby. Someone he used to work for ran a rabbit in the Derby.

He said he went eight deep on his Super Ticket.

Even people as thickheaded as this group should be able to figure out what these guys were up too.

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

Lets see

05 Ritchey
05 Shireffs
04 Zito
04 Servis
04 Servis
03 Frankel
03 Tagg
03 Tagg
02 McPeek
02 Baffert
02 Baffert
01 Baffert
01 Baffert
01 Ward
00 Lukas
00 Orseno? (Red Bullet)
00 Drysdale
99 Schulhofer
99 Lukas
99 Lukas
98 Walden
98 Baffert
98 Baffert
97 Byrne? (Touch Gold)
97 Baffert
97 Baffert

Zito is partially correct. Of the last 9 Triple Crown Races 6 have been won by first time winners of a Triple Crown race. However, 2 of those 9 were by the \"usual suspects\": Frankel and Zito. Additionally, those two have been knocking repeatedly on the door the last couple years in other Triple Crown races.

Interesting angle for Zito to be able to refer to it so adroitly. He\'s obviously given it some thought. I wonder why?

\"Afleet Alex got a Beyer Speed Figure of 112 and, despite the harrowing incident, won the Preakness by 4 3/4 lengths.

\"It should have been 10,\" said Jeremy Rose, who rode Afleet Alex. \"We were rolling.\"

unquote, (Scrappy was doing pretty good too until he blew the turn)

Asked what he thought of Dominguez\'s ride, Ritchey said, \"My father told me if you don\'t have anything good to say, don\'t say anything.\"

http://www.drf.com/news/article/65256.html



Post Edited (05-23-05 20:30)

[MO]

Nick is a very nice guy. His record in the Derby (2 for 18) mirrors his overall stats as a 10 % ( on a good day ) trainer. But he\'s a really nice guy and image is everything...................

[jimbo66]

Yes Silver Charm,

Us thickheaded people in this group don\'t believe that Lukas ran Going Wild as a rabbit for Bandini on behalf of Pletcher who worked for him 10 years ago.  Especially in that Tabor already had a rabbit in the race and there was no need to run him back in the Preakness as a \"rabbit\" again.  You are right. If that is your point, count me in the \"thickheaded\" group that is too stupid to see that point.

Jerry,

Forest Danger is running back in the Met Mile.  Prior to his last race (Carter?), he had run a race down in Florida where you gave him a lower figure than either Beyer or Rags.  Beyer gave him a 119 and I heard the Rags fig was huge also.  He was a \"bet against\" as the favorite, based on his T-Graph figs going into that NY race, he was a \"Bet against\".  But he ran pretty huge in that race after a slow start.  I believe somebody on this board questioned the Florida figure after the race and you said it was one of those that you were monitoring and could be off (not exact words there, just paraphrase).  Anyway, my question is whether you have revised that figure down in Florida or did you leave it at -2?

[Silver Charm]

Again read what I wrote.

>Someone he used to work for ran a rabbit in the Derby.

Lukas never worked for Pletcher, he worked for Tabor.....who made all of his money doing what???

[jimbo66]

Pletcher worked for Lukas.

Why run back in the Preakness?  Where does your \"conspiracy theory\" lead to there?

[MO]

Let us not forget that Tabor admitted on national TV to wagering some $50K on Thunder Gulch (maybe only $25K - regardless a huge wager), breaking from post 16 (1% winners historically at that point - or therabouts) in the Derby, a race that was scrutinized on the front page of the DRF the day after with an arrow pointing to the \"alleged\" buzzer transaction between Stevens and Day after the wire, a race in which the FBI investigated, blew up the photo the size of a garage door and proclaimed that \"This is a 3 dimentional object, and not a shadow\" in a race where Lukas had 3 uncoupled entries, one of which was the favored filly (HA HA) Serena\'s Song and 2nd choice (with Day) on Timber Country. Heck, it was only the Kentucky Derby.

I have the video tape available with frame by frame slow motion documentation , mind you, the undeniable fact that Stevens had TG \"plugged in\" and that there was a conspiracy to fix the Derby of 1995. Listen to Pat Day\'s comments upon winning the Preakness (payback for a job well done) regarding his brother who at the time was hospitalized a week before the Derby. He was a backstretch worker at Churchill and was severly beaten up as a message to Pat - \"better pick up this package at the wire or else\".

There were 2 guys in California who tried to extort money from Stevens about this a few years ago to no avail. Obviously dummies with no video.

Well folks, I\'m fed up and sick and tired of all this BS that cripples a game I used to really enjoy playing. I have the tape, so Gary, come and get me. I\'d love the opp to play it in court.

It might be professional suicide on my part, but better that I be unemployed in racing than to let a thief get away with a crime commited on national TV, a crime that has more ramifcations than one can imagine. People (suckers) breed to TG thinking they actually are breeding to a LEGIT KY Derby winner. They got money, but are very short on brains.

Tabor has been in trouble before in Europe for \"alleged\" race fixing. These are all DOCUMENTED FACTS. I rest my case, for now.



Post Edited (05-23-05 21:39)

[Silver Charm]

>one of which was the favored filly(HA HA) Serena\'s Song and 2nd choice (with Day) on Timber Country.

They ran as an Entry MO.

She was the speed horse who faded at the eighth pole and won the Black-Eyed Susan two weeks later by 13.

He said the other day he thought that Timber Country, the big closer would win.

Wonder Why?

[MO]

TG was not coupled, but a separate betting interest. OK, Serena and TC were coupled. Same sh%t. What\'s your point?
Lukas could easily be governor of California given the current occupant.



Post Edited (05-23-05 21:47)