Wood Day

[miff]

JB Said,

\"As it turned out the track was not that fast, the one turn times (esp. 7f and mile)were helped by a pretty good eight o clock wind, which helped them both on the backstretch and the only turn they ran around. There were some fast horses who ran Saturday, and they ran fast\"

Also there were some not so fast horses who ran fast.The flag blew AGAINST the horses down the backside for races 1 and 2 according to people who were there(Iwas not)

Everyone said the track was fast or very fast, no one had it \"not that fast\"

Race I NYB\'S went 10 and three against the wind.

Race 2 nw2x went 35 and three against the wind

Race 3 3yr MSW went 8 and 4(w/wind at their back)

Race 4 N/A

Race 5 MSW went 10 and one

Races 6, 7 and 8 fast times(fast horses too)

Race 9 Track Record

Race 10  NYB (SLOW RATS) go 10 and cahnge for the six and in a very fast(for them) 37 and two.

I assume you mean your figs say the track was not that fast.How??

[TGJB]

Miff-- I wish I\'d seen the \"New York Bred Slow Rats\" race in the book. I was looking for that condition for Northern Stealth.

The Aqu track Sat was faster by quite a bit than the one Friday (good to fast), but almost exactly the same speed as the ones Thu and Sunday, so I guess the question becomes, compared to what? The times looked fast due to some really fast horses running, and a large number of chute races that were sped up by the wind. Survivalist paired, everybody behind him ran well off their tops, Forest Danger ran a new top (sort of, more on that in a minute), Jerken\'s horse paired, Don Six went back. Lost In The Fog went back, Hushion\'s horse ran slightly worse than his top.

People underestimate how much effect wind can have, especially on fractions-- we\'d have to run it through the computer, but my guess is you could add a second to the half for those 7f races, almost 2 seconds to the 6f in the miles, which wouldn\'t be that fast for the horses in question. The \"rats\" ran half a mile with the wind at their backs, and it helped them a little on the turn, hence the fast fraction and relatively fast final time.

As far as the possible wind shift, I\'m having Litfin check, but if it was the other way those horses would get BETTER numbers. And, as I said, I took off a point or two early in the card anyway, just off looking at the horses.

Michael D-- as we discussed, doing that GP figure for Forest Danger was a bitch (track was clearly getting faster, turf race on either side, no more dirt races afterward), and when he ran faster this time I reviewed it. Given what several have come back to run since, I went with the other possible scenario, which basically gives FD a pair.

[miff]

I agree and I am aware of what wind can do to raw times.I also was referring to the fact that the surface itself was scraped for sure. The wind was sucking moisture out and they were still motoring.

I\'ll have to see the figs when these horses run back but I\'m weary about the surface that day.

[SJU5]

Jerry,

Just got home and watched Race Replays of the races saturday from the Big A.  The 1st race does not show any flags but the second race shows the flag when they hit the 1st quarter time and it\'s going exactly as I said. DOWN THE Back STRETCH. I jumped ahead to the 3rd race and it shows the wind direction change with the flags in a cross wind. The 4th through 10 races clearly show the flags now blowing in their faces down the final stretch. Right to left!

Liftin better check his stuff because it\'s right on the replays!

[TGJB]

SJU5-- Litfin checked his notes and you were right about the wind. As I said, I had taken off a little from those races, and when we redid the day with the right wind I no longer had to do that-- they matched up with the one turn races that followed, then the track actually got slightly slower late in the day.

This is about chapter 10,000 of get all the information you can, but make as few assumptions as possible. In the end, you do your work off the horses.