Just For The Hell Of It

[TGJB]

Jim-- it\'s really difficult to come up with a figure for what % are winning with either product, but I\'ll tell you this-- you will be very hard pressed to find someone who is winning while using neither. Virtually every pro (or winning recreational player) playing US racing, that I have heard of in the last 10 years, is using one or the other.

[jimbo66]

Jerry,

I agree, impossible to come up with a number for % of winners.  

I have a question though.  I am not a huge fan of \"public handicappers\" and the DRF handicappers.  But there are some who I think are pretty good.  Wny do you suppose it is that very few if any of them, use either T-Graph or Rags.  A few that I happen to think are pretty good (which is of course debatable) are Brad Thomas, Steven Crist and Brad Free.  I guess they all have worked for the DRF, so that might explain it.  But even the guys on TV, you just never hear anybody reference \"sheets\".

[jimbo66]

By the way Jerry,

Why are you so hated on the Rags board?  I don\'t see much Len \"venim\" on this board, but they really don\'t like you over there, it seems more personal than business almost.  Is there a \"history\" that exists which we aren\'t aware of?

[TGJB]

Actually, quite a few use sheets at least some of the time. Of the three you mentioned, one sometimes downloads, one would be in an extreme conflict of interest. A lot of public handicappers don\'t make much money and sheets are expensive, and while we do give them free to some press, we\'re not going to let someone use them to make picks and kill customer\'s odds. I\'m not going to start listing, but several TV commentators use our data.

[TGJB]

Jim-- There is lots of history, and in some cases (Janis) that\'s completely why they take shots at me (I threw him off this site). But mostly it\'s because raising issues about the Emperor\'s clothes disturbs some of these guys at a very profound level.