Super Trainers at Churchill Downs

[Silver Charm]

There are none. Look at some of the Win Percentages. Don\'t need to names names. Big Weekend of Stakes races coming up and will not he surprised of a few of them pop up and win them. They have a lot of good higher quality athletes. If there have been protocol changes then I am all for it. These percetages are down across the board. Something has changed.....

[Roman]

I hope so.

[Fairmount1]

Roman,

We ALL hope so. And maybe CD and other tracks can get on the same page to even the playing field.  

Silver,

Great post.  Unrelated, the results at Lone Star for stakes races 7-11 yesterday were won by the following trainers:

R7:  Diodoro
R8:  Saffie Joseph
R9:  Steve Asmussen
R10:  Brad Cox
R11:  Diodoro

These guys at CD by win percentage this meet:

Diodoro:  2/8, 25% (surprised by this one actually but guessing lower level horses?  Would need to look closer with smallish sample size)
Joseph:  2/12, 17%
Asmussen:  3/70, 4%
Cox:  6/41, 15%

Remind me about Texas if something is different down there?  Must be the serene setting and beautiful weather that agrees with their horses.  They really thrive down there.  

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I didn\'t include Caldwell from the R6 stakes as he didn\'t have any starts at CD I believe.  I don\'t want people thinking I\'m cherry picking results here.

[Silver Charm]

Ok, you pointed out Cox. He was 5 for 38 when I posted yesterday. He won a Maiden $12.5k Claimer and now he has 6 wins. For real with his kind of ownership and race horse talent.

He won Derby Weekend with Good Cheer. Patch Adams, Liberal Arts and maybe one other. The horses he sent out were ready. Not a weekend to doninate but he did well. Then next to nothing else.

Brendan Walsh is 8% I believe. Amoss 1 for 16 and he is good guy and naming here doesnt mean he cheats. Its either SUPER competitive or Clean.

[Fairmount1]

Asmussen won today notching his 5th and 6th wins of the meet.

His 6 winners:

Clm20kN2L on a drop from OP Alw130k at 8-5

Clm80kN2L off a MdnClm100k win at 2-1

Clm25k after Claimed for 25k, run at 35k, run in Lake Bachelor Stakes and then in for 25k at CD again at 17-1 (he owned)

MSW 2yo FTS at .38 on the dollar

MSW 2yo FTS at even money disqualified to second (not one of his 6 winners but noted here for pattern purposes)

MSW 2yo FTS at 2-1 (Today)

50k from Bachelor Stakes run at OP, 10-1 (Today)

No allowance or stakes success?  Claiming and First time 2yo\'s is where he is getting in winner\'s circle if interested when to play and when to toss as meet nears the end.

[Silver Charm]

I would be curious to know what the Trainer Stats were for the 4 day Saratoga Meet. Just Wins and Total Starters. I dont think Asmussen won a race.

Alao what was Brad Cox for the same days excluding Thursday at Churchill Downs. Eclatant and Final Gambit ran aweful.

[catcapper]

Texas is not in compliance with HISA, nor is Louisiana or West Virginia.

Diodoro is suspended from running at HISA tracks. He has zero regard for any rules let alone compliance.

[Gary Irish]

Robertino ran one yesterday at CD. Race 4 ---  Great Escape ran last.

[catcapper]

I guess then he has served what ever penalty they originally prescribed, as he was suspended from HISA tracks.
Maybe he is creeping his way back in.

[catcapper]

p.s.


Fact checking is a necessary thing, and appreciated

[Molesap]

Here are the trainer stats from the recent Belmont at Saratoga meet by number of starters. To be fair, Asmussen only had two runners and managed a third place finish from that. Chad had the most winners, Mott won the most money

William I. Mott - 30 - 4 - 5 - 5
Chad C. Brown - 28 - 5 - 7 - 3
Todd A. Pletcher - 25 - 3 - 2 - 3
Linda Rice - 19 - 2 - 3 - 2
Miguel Clement - 14 - 3 - 1 - 3
Mark E. Casse - 14 - 3 - 6 - 1
Michael J. Maker - 12 - 1 - 1 - 1
Brad H. Cox - 11 - 2 - 2 - 1
Saffie A. Joseph, Jr. - 10 - 1 - 1 - 0
Rudy R. Rodriguez - 10 - 1 - 1 - 0
Ilkay Kantarmaci - 10 - 1 - 1 - 2
Wesley A. Ward - 9 - 3 - 2 - 1
George Weaver - 8 - 1 - 2 - 1
Thomas Morley - 8 - 2 - 0 - 2
Horacio De Paz - 8 - 0 - 1 - 1
David G. Donk - 8 - 0 - 0 - 1
Cherie DeVaux - 7 - 1 - 1 - 1
Claude R. McGaughey III - 7 - 1 - 1 - 1
Jorge R. Abreu - 7 - 2 - 0 - 2
Fernando Abreu - 7 - 0 - 1 - 3
Jena M. Antonucci - 7 - 0 - 0 - 1
James W. Ferraro - 6 - 0 - 1 - 0
Amelia J. Green - 6 - 0 - 0 - 2
H. Graham Motion - 5 - 0 - 3 - 0
Brendan P. Walsh - 5 - 1 - 0 - 1
Mark A. Hennig - 5 - 1 - 0 - 0
Melanie Giddings - 5 - 1 - 2 - 0
Raymond Handal - 5 - 0 - 1 - 0
Antonio Arriaga - 5 - 0 - 0 - 0
Rob Atras - 4 - 1 - 1 - 1
Jose Francisco D\'Angelo - 4 - 0 - 1 - 1
Danny Gargan - 4 - 0 - 1 - 1
Jose M. Jimenez - 4 - 0 - 0 - 0
Eduardo E. Jones - 4 - 0 - 0 - 0
Michael W. McCarthy - 3 - 0 - 2 - 0
Bob Baffert - 3 - 0 - 1 - 0
William Walden - 3 - 2 - 0 - 0
Gustavo Rodriguez - 3 - 1 - 0 - 0
James T. Ryerson - 3 - 1 - 0 - 0
H. James Bond - 3 - 1 - 0 - 1
Philip M. Serpe - 3 - 0 - 0 - 1
Barclay Tagg - 3 - 0 - 0 - 1
Wayne Potts - 3 - 0 - 0 - 1
Thomas F. Proctor - 3 - 0 - 0 - 1
John P. Terranova II - 3 - 0 - 0 - 0
Chris J. Englehart - 3 - 0 - 0 - 0
Adrianne DeVaux - 3 - 0 - 0 - 0
Michelle Giangiulio - 3 - 0 - 0 - 0
David P. Duggan - 3 - 0 - 0 - 0
Domenick L. Schettino - 2 - 1 - 0 - 1
Jack Fisher - 2 - 1 - 0 - 1
Joseph R. Lee - 2 - 1 - 0 - 1
Larry Rivelli - 2 - 1 - 0 - 0
Anthony W. Dutrow - 2 - 1 - 1 - 0
John C. Servis - 2 - 1 - 0 - 0
Michael J. Trombetta - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0
Brian A. Lynch - 2 - 0 - 0 - 1
Norm W. Casse - 2 - 1 - 0 - 1
Joe Sharp - 2 - 1 - 0 - 0
Robert N. Falcone, Jr. - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0
Neil R. Morris - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0
Carlos F. Martin - 2 - 0 - 1 - 0
Steven M. Asmussen - 2 - 0 - 0 - 1
Philip Antonacci - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0
Joseph F. Orseno - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0
Charlton Baker - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0
Lolita Shivmangal - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0
Douglas J. Seyler - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0
John S. Pregman, Jr. - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0
Mitchell E. Friedman - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0
Bruce N. Levine - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0
Robert E. Reid, Jr. - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0
Richard Metivier - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0
Oscar S. Barrera III - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0
Gary Sciacca - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0
Eduardo Caramori - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0
Doug F. O\'Neill - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0
Richard Baltas - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0
Derek S. Ryan - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0
John A. Shirreffs - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1
Jorge Delgado - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0
Rodolphe Brisset - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0
Panagiotis A. Synnefias - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0
Edward T. Allard - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1
Chad Summers - 1 - 1 - 0 - 0
Gregory D. Sacco - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1
Jamie Osborne - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0
Norman C. Follett - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1
Gary C. Contessa - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0
John T. Kirby - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0
Gina Giglio - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0
Dale L. Romans - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0
Eddie Kenneally - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0
James Bentley Begg - 1 - 0 - 1 - 0
John J. Robb - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1
Henk Grewe - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0
Thomas M. Amoss - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0
James J. Toner - 1 - 0 - 0 - 1
Thomas Garner - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0
Chasey Deville Pomier - 1 - 0 - 0 - 0

[Silver Charm]

That looks about right. Brown and Mott were at the top in terms of Wins but they also lost 49 races combined in 4 days! Or was it 5.  

I noticed Rick Dutrow didn\'t make the Trip!! Cox may have been 2-11 (not bad) but he also may have been 0-12 at Churchill over the same 3 day weekend!

2 for Whatever isnt good for your wallet if you keep chasing some of these guys.....