Have a Thoro-Graph question? Get it answered on TGPS EXTRA Seminars!

[TGJeff]

TGPS EXTRA Members,

 As you\'ll hear at the end of Vic\'s Seminar today (just sent out) , TGPS EXTRA members are encouraged to send your questions about Thoro-Graph theory, a specific race, how to apply part of Thoro-Graph\'s products, various number patterns, etc., to:

jeff@thorograph.com

We\'ll choose a few of the questions and answer them in the Seminar Series periodically. If your question is selected, we\'ll place a $25 product credit into your Thoro-Graph account!

Best of luck this weekend!

TGJeff

[infront]

Hi.   Am new to Thoro-Graph and still learning.
A few newbie questions:
1) Under the How to Use section for the Graph, it states Turf races are preceded by a dash (-), but I always see a double dash (--) for these races.  Is it the same thing?
2) I also sometimes see a double dash (--) AFTER the the TG number.  It does not appear to reference Turf races.  What is the meaning AFTER the TG number?
3) What does \"neg #\" mean after the TG number?  I noticed this after several random TG numbers, not just a \"0\".  I\'m confused about this notation (neg #).

Thanks for your help.

[Tavasco]

With regard to negative #\'s. Note - Zero is not the best figure which can be earned. e.g. a -2 (negative 2) is three points faster than a 1. i.e. 0,-1,-2.

Negative numbers are very positive performances, generally speaking. The domain of top Allowance animals and Stakes horses.

I suppose over the years as horses got faster, especially in the steroid era, the thorograph scale had to accommodate the phenomena. They could have modified the scale but that has complications comparing #\'s pre and post, scale changes.

[johnnym]

Welcome.
Lost of good information here.
https://www.thorograph.com/introduction.php
GL
John

[infront]

Thanks for your reply.
I think I follow you.
Firenze Fire\'s sheet listed multiple neg#\'s (two 4.1-- neg#, several 2-- neg#s, several 0-- neg#\'s).
But just to be clear: negative 4 is better than negative 2, which is better than negative 0.   Is this correct?
I am still confused about the two dashes AFTER the number.  What do these two dashes mean?

[infront]

Thanks for the welcome, John.
As I have checked the info you referenced over and over and trying to google for further info, I still could not find any answers to the questions I asked, I was hoping to get specific answers from the experienced posters in the forum.
If you can help me by answering the question(s), I will greatly appreciate it.
Thanks!

[Bet Twice]

1) yes, same thing.  I think years ago a turf race was represented by a single dash, but at some point that changed to two small dashes.  Guessing it may have been a change to the database or such.
2)That indicates a negative number.  A 1â€"-is faster than a 0, a 2â€"-is faster than a 1â€"â€", etc……
3)Same as #2.  Seems redundant, but maybe it’s meant to ensure it stands out.  A negative zero and a quarter on the turf â€"-0 with a superscript 1 followed by another â€"-(can’t do that on my iPad) might be a little confusing.

[infront]

Thank you, Bet Twice.
Your explanations are on point and clearly understandable.
I regret not asking my questions in the forum first, instead of wasting so much time researching on my own and coming up empty.
Thoro-Graph should incorporate your explanations into their \"Symbol Sheet: How to Use\", as to correct misleading and/or missing information.

Thanks again!