Baffert and betamethasone

[philywheel]

Bad look for Baffert, he bragged about the Heart that Medina had and he had no heart left in the stretch, smart move by Baffert not showing up in Baltimore today

[Silver Charm]

Well said. Keep posting. You sound a little too balanced and educated for many of these. By balanced I mean you said you werent a Baffert Fan and he beat you out of money but what occurred was explainable.

Thanks

[Silver Charm]

I\'m sure he left his heart in Louisville. I thought he could gut out another one. He still ran 3rd. Baffert needs to lay low for a while. Hire a Chief Compliance Officer. If the 2nd Test comes back positive which I\'m 99.99% sure it will he needs to take the suspension with no appeal. The Owner will fight. Its $1.5M to him and a Trophy that\'s hard to win.

Baffert will be back.

[HP]

I guess you’re talking to someone else. Never said I wasn’t a Baffert fan and he didn’t beat me out of any money. You already know everything so I can’t imagine why you waste your time posting, except to let us know you know too much to say out loud. Sounds like you’re in your own Hitchcock movie! If you’re writing a script make sure to include a good groom piss story, those explanations sound very scientific as well.

[belmont3]

HP,

Another vote for Electro in this debate.

If you have the \"right\" to post whatever your wish ....fine

But let others do the same without the \"you know nothing\" rants.

Electro demonstrated much expertise in explaining how these medications are administered and metabolized by horses.

I appreciate his input.

[HP]

I’m not stopping you from reading them and I respect his knowledge. I didn’t say he knew nothing. I said he didn’t know what the horse was given and he didn’t know how it was administered. Both of these statements are true. You don’t know if Baffert gave that horse a topical medication or if he injected it. And then there are assumptions based on how it was administered. I’m not knocking the guy, but there are limits to how much of it applies based on what you do or don’t know.

[Roman]

First, they only tested the first 5 highest placed horses for testing. Then they did an out of competition test couple of days before the derby but did not test for permissible medication.  The coach said they just buy the cream the vet recommends at the feed store and he doesn’t read the labels.
Wouldn’t you think that they would read the labels, do there own testing for everything along with the out of comp. testing. If they are checking for picograms, the testing needs to be done for every substance , not just illegal meds. And with frequent testing, maybe they can get more accurate withdrawal times. Take away the excuses.

[Fairmount1]

HP,

He was referring to Electrocutionist.  Keep it civil here folks.  Some definite things to learn here no matter what side everyone is on.

[HP]

Tell him. He called me a clown in his first sentence. Probably part of his licensing. His reply links to my post.

[Fairmount1]

Missed the back and forth.  Hope everyone ends the potshots.  

But love the discourse here b/c there is a lot to dissect on lots of levels with that result. . . .

[HP]

I disagreed with something. No potshots. That came from Florida Man. Once this passes I still want to hear from the pissing groom, because somehow that story makes me skeptical of everything Baffert says, despite this review of liver metabolism.

[Electrocutionist]

Guys-
Thanks for your responses. I\'m just trying to see myself if that Derby beat was legit. But looking at the combination of drugs in Otomax, one drug affects the metabolism of the other, and it is highly unlikely that that has ever been considered properly by the regulatory folks. I agree though that Baffert\'s flailing for a legitimate-sounding excuse doesn\'t help his case. Urine-soaked straw indeed...And the fact that betamethasone is commonly used to treat joint inflammation complicates the scenario. But if the standard is to dq for ANY measurable amount of a legal (or illegal, of course) medication, then the chips should fall where they may, and Baffert is the responsible party.

[Silver Charm]

Fairmount1 its all good. Teflon works

Let me know when you are back down here for a GP Meeting. The days of going to the Track are thankfully back. Racing needs to act. Decisively and coordinated. Public confidence counts and some of the outfits are public companies.

[HP]

Elec you sound reasonable, unlike some others who chimed in. Thing is the Otomax story sounds a little like... the pissing groom story? He just rubs stuff on a horse and then he says “wow I didn’t know what was in it!” And now poor Baffert is being convicted in the court of public opinion by people who don’t understand that there’s a perfectly logical explanation? And the drug isn’t a performance enhancer? Okay. I’ll wait and see what happens like everyone else, but his piss stories and claiming not to know what’s in something he’s using on his horses sounds RIDICULOUS. If he’s got grooms pissing on hay and he doesn’t read ingredients on a label like anyone else in America how is he trusted with all this expensive horseflesh? Makes no sense.

[TGJB]

Scott, enough.