Regarding training states on the 3 Papetu.
What are Sano #s for first time routing?
That information is available for the other trainers but not him.
Thanks
John

TGJB: We show first route stats only when the horse is first route, that one is not.

johnnym: Ok Thanks
I know they consider any race 8F or longer a route.
But handicapping a one turn race vs a two turn race is different.

ajkreider: Horse has been run really bizarrely.  In the Hopeful, it looked like the plan was to have him forwardly placed, and the he was pretty much eased with a 1/4 to go.

In the Saratoga Special, he spotted the leader 22 lengths, before finishing 11 back (which is what you\'d think for a Dialed In).

Last he was wide all the way around in a stalker position and finished evenly.

If he\'s still around that morning line, he will take some of my money.

johnnym: Horse ran hard of the layoff chasing the winner.
I have concern about a bounce but the trainer stats show other wise.
GL today

Edosterhoutsps: I am struggling to reconcile the numbers for The Sound in R8 Oaklawn 1/29. His winning perf. is understandable: he was heavy favorite, Brad Cox etc however
The Aqu. Number from 11/29 seems off  based on consideration of yesterday’s finish and the previous numbers of the other horses.  Even compensating for likely improvement from Makers horse, constructing a number that approaches The Sounds 11/29 Aqu. Number is problematic.  I checked the other available numbers from other vendors and found this same situation. Thoughts appreciated Thank you.

TGJB: The horse had two 5s and a 2. So since the last one was a 2 this time he should automatically run a 2?

I bet against the horse at the price, did not cash.

Edosterhoutsps: Thank you