Midas Eyes at 7-2!!!

[Pheobe]

Any time you\'d like a list of trainers who
are doing something that is giving them an
edge that others don\'t I would be more than
happy to provide it to you.


If you are attempting to make a living either claiming horses or betting horses
you need to know what is the reality regarding how these stables operate or
you are going to lose a whole lot of money.

Suffice to say, if you are betting horses
on the NYRA circuit & you don\'t think
Dutrow & Levine are using, guess again.

If you are in PA and don\'t think that Lake
& McCaslin are using, guess again.

If you are at DEL and you don\'t think Pino, Iwinski, Lake, and Shuman are using, guess again.

Frankel takes every EDGE HE CAN but in certain states he can\'t get out of his own way....Cajun Country is his happy place !

Lets see if GkostZapper runs a whole in the wind in the JCGC.

Mullins is a cheater, just ask some of the owners who used to own some of the horses he has claimed/purchased; from competant horsemen as well.  IT AIN\'T RIGHT !

Get real, its all about the drugs & if you don\'t get it, try & talk to some owners about vet bills & what they can & cannot deal with from the vets.

Why do you think DEL has instituted a policy
whereas if you pay an additional fee when filling out a claim slip, you can have your newly acquired horse tested for EPOGEN; if it comes back positive, the claim is voided.
Wake up, its all about the drugs & unntil it changes, you had better understand what you are dealing with.

[rezlegal]

Some anectodal evidence over why midas eyes went off at 7/2. I was at sar. sat. and 2 of my friends are ragozin users. I made the passing comment about frankel pairing up so often and a pair up on tgraph made him an obvious bet. Their response-seeking to beat midas eyes- was that they were hoping for a pair up because if he did pair up on the rags sheets he was a throw out. I did not see the actual rags figs but that might explain the overlay.

[miff]

Pheobe,

You forgot Pletcher!!Almost every horse he sends out is barrel chested, on their toes and run their eyeballs out.I know most are bred and expensive, but I have seen sooo many expensive horses from other strong trainers that can\'t run a step, but almost never one of Pletchers. Coincidence? genius trainer? NONSENSE! Oscar was by FAR the greatest, but these new guys are getting away with murder too, destroying a bettors chance to use any expertise/tools. Juice overcomes all!!

[jimbo66]

Rezlegal,

Don\'t give full credit for 7-2 on Midas Eyes to Ragozin users.  The T-Graph analysis on the race was \"coming back on 9 days rest, Midas Eyes is a bet against.  Box Clock Stopper, Strong Hope and Gygistar\".

Both TGraph and Ragozin missed this one.  Hence 7-2.

>Both TGraph and Ragozin missed this one. Hence 7-2.<

Which is exactly why I had him big.

I look at 4 sets of figures (all done competently even if the methodologies are slightly different) regularly and depending on which set you are looking at you will often come to completely different conclusions about who ran the fastest last time out and what direction he might be heading next time.

There\'s little question in my mind there are patterns to how horses run, but if you are making bets based on small moves in the figures you are probably making a lot of mistakes. No one has a lock on perfect figures or the perfect methodolgy.

Midas Eyes was an easy overlay to find.

He ran big figures early in his 3yo season and had competed well against top horses in sprints afterwards. He came back with a figure that certainly didn\'t have to be a top or make him a bounce candidate based on the potential he showed at 3. Some guys didn\'t even make him top figure in the race or make his last a new peak, so you could easily conclude he was about to peak 2nd of the layoff.  

The Pletcher horse was coming in off a 3 month layoff after being sick. Pletcher may be good off a layoff, but there is a difference between coming back off a layoff when you are clearly the best horse and coming back into a Grade I race full of sharp horses of similar ability.

Clockstopper figured close.

This was a race between 3 relatively close contenders. No matter which one you favored for whatever reason, it was still close.

Some people being dogmatic about their figures and patterns allowed me to get 7-2 on a horse that should have been about
2-1 or 5-2. That may not be a great overlay, but it was an obvious one.



Post Edited (09-07-04 10:33)

[asfufh]

Phoebe, Miff, Jimbo,Etal: I\'ll ask the question again. If you feel illegal drug use is rampant, why do you continue betting on horses? Would you play a blackjack game with all the aces taken out of the deck?Also, keep in mind that it seems to me that a trainer that is cheating will just as likely stiff a horse as illegally \"boost\" it.
Also, I\'m not a chemist but I think the reason the tracks are having a hard time developing a valid EPO test is that it is a naturally occurring element in horses and differentiating between induced EPO and \"regular\" EPO has proven very difficult. Under this circumstance, it is imperative for the tracks to make sure they have a valid EPO test before they officially implement it.
Until we get solid evidence to the contrary, I\'m inclined (maybe naively) to credit the \"super\" trainers with developing legal \"super\" training or nutritional methods. Asfufh

[jimbo66]

Asfufh,

You\'ve got the wrong guy in your email.  I never posted anything about drug use.  

Call me one of the naiive ones, but I actually believe that a VAST majority of races are drug free and that \"race fixing\" is an overblown excuse that bettors who lost money use to justify why their horse lost.

But you are right, when you stop believing either one of those things, you shouldn\'t be betting into the pools.  There are better ways to be charitable.....

[miff]

Asfufh,

I\'ve been a racetrack guy for 40 years and I think that I have a pretty fair breath of knowledge of racing.I partnered (regretfullY) in about 10 horses and was around the barn area for many years at AQU,BEL, during the days of the greatest trainer who ever lived, OSCAR.Oscar never got caught officially, but his use of a super drug (suspected after time to be HEROIN)was the most phenominal occurence in all of racing. There wasn\'t anyone who didn\'t know he was using something illegal, but they couldn\'t prove it.I think that he knew he was close to being caught since he could not win  a race, all of a sudden, after regularly moving horses up 5-10 lengths after claiming them.They were OSCARIZED after the claim.

To think that nutrition alone can move up a horse (like Oscar, Mullins et al) is very niave,IMO.There are outstanding horsemen across the country who can\'t come near the JUICE guys in producing winners.

Why I still bet the game is because I think there are still opportunities to stay away from the juicers or simply include them when I see fit.After all these years, I am convinced that only the LORD or drugs can consistantly move a horses performance that far up, not a trainer.