Selection Time Has Arrived

Started by Silver Charm, May 18, 2019, 03:31:18 PM

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bluechip21

#30
May 20, 2019, 04:23:22 AM
That is what we like to call being “Rosario’d”. Use it in a sentence? Sure. “I didn’t want to use the Rosario horse, but I decided last minute to use him as a ‘B’ because I didn’t want to get Rosario’d in the last leg of the pick 5.”

Silver Charm

#31
May 20, 2019, 05:24:00 AM
Big he only needs to like 12F once. Certainly I\'m projecting here. There is a lot to be settled. And its gonna get settled on the Track not in Lawsuits. Maybe a challenge or two.

Omaha Beach got it together. Two HUGE wins on off tracks. The Rebel was also very good. Now he is sick. We have seen this from Mandella before. A Negative 2 early (Beholder and Paradise Woods) and which way does this go after?

Again I am projecting and its gonna get settled on the track. Happy to see everyone and so many new faces engaged and involved. Its make the discussion so much more fun.

wrongly1

#32
May 20, 2019, 06:29:02 AM
\"Actual form\"??? The horse was a vet scratch from the Pat Day mile!!!

big18741

#33
May 21, 2019, 05:21:55 AM
Silver

On figures and with Tapit success in this race Tacitus looks like a very strong contender for Mott.

All but one of Tapit\'s seven starters(3-1-2) from what I can see had some help on the bottom to get the distance.

Matterhorn the exception was too slow going in to even be considered a factor.

The only reason I question Tacitus is the bottom of his pedigree which looks kinda weak for 12f\'s.I\'m no expert so maybe someone who knows what they\'re looking at can chime in.Michael D.?

Silver Charm

#35
May 21, 2019, 10:42:07 AM
Everything about this pedigree is quality and class. AP Indy, Unbridled Song, Storm Cat and Unbridled.  Close Hatches didnt run until she was 3. Won at a mile and quarter.

Mott never sprinted Tacitus at 2. In the Derby the horse barely stretched his legs for most of the race. He was checked twice in the opening stretch run. Caused him to he much further back than they wanted. When they slowed it down on the backstretch he was bottled up 10 back.

There will be a big field on the Belmont. I see him being around  5/2 with Baffert and Game Winnar taking serious green. I may go ALL IN.

~mike

#36
May 21, 2019, 11:43:42 AM
When did she win at 10 furlongs? Going into the Derby I was wondering why Mott hadn\'t run her at 10 furlongs (Alabama).

Tacitus is from the same female family as Belmont winners Rags to Riches, Jazil(and Close Hatches has two strains of Best in Show, third dam of those 2) -- and Birdstone. Close Hatches also has Belmont winner Empire Maker\'s dam (Toussaud) and, through Tapit, 2009 Belmont winner Summer Bird\'s third dam, Ruby Slippers.

Does anyone know why Mott skipped the Alabama with Close Hatches?

smalltimer

#37
May 21, 2019, 12:08:58 PM
Silver,
Close Hatches ran 9f in 3 races.  You can check Thoroughbred Horse Pedigree Query and in upper left type in her name.  When her pedigree info comes up you can click on Reports and the drop down menu will let you click on Pedigree, Stakes Races, etc.

~mike

#38
May 21, 2019, 12:26:25 PM
Yeah, I know. Silver Charm\'s post has her winning at a mile and a quarter.

firmturf

#39
May 21, 2019, 01:32:46 PM
There was a Million Dollar Grade 1 ($400k more) a few weeks later she won.

hooper

#40
May 21, 2019, 02:00:39 PM
She won Mother Goose in late June,came down ill and missed CCA Oaks and Alabama.Won Cotillion in late September.

Close Hatches and Dreaming of Julia, the one-two finishers of the G1 Mother Goose Stakes, will both miss the G1 Coaching Club American Oaks on July 20, it was reported by the Daily Racing Form.
Bill Mott, the trainer of Close Hatches, reported that the daughter of First Defence developed a fever and missed a few days of training.

Silver Charm

#41
May 21, 2019, 02:19:12 PM
The Personal Ensign Stakes was run at a mile and quarter from 1995-2011. She won it in 2014. That is where I made my error. It wasn\'t my Personal Intentions to inaccurately state the distance of Personal Ensign. It was a timing error. I still love Tacitus in the Belmont

Michael D.

#42
May 23, 2019, 04:44:51 AM
big18741 Wrote:
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> Silver
>
> On figures and with Tapit success in this race
> Tacitus looks like a very strong contender for
> Mott.
>
> All but one of Tapit\'s seven starters(3-1-2) from
> what I can see had some help on the bottom to get
> the distance.
>
> Matterhorn the exception was too slow going in to
> even be considered a factor.
>
> The only reason I question Tacitus is the bottom
> of his pedigree which looks kinda weak for
> 12f\'s.I\'m no expert so maybe someone who knows
> what they\'re looking at can chime in.Michael D.?


7f speed through First Defence and Honest Lady, and more middle distance class with Storm Cat, but there is plenty of stamina back there. Mike\'s post above hits on the important points. Foundation here is Best In Show, one of the more influential distance broodmares in American racing history. And Honest Lady is out of Toussaud, Empire Maker\'s dam (Unbridled). Close Hatches was not real tall, but solid and strong. Tacitus looks to have inherited the best of all the distance genes.

~mike

#43
May 23, 2019, 11:47:52 AM
Best in Show is also in the pedigree of Ten Most Wanted, and he earned a better figure than Empire Maker in their Belmont.

big18741

#44
May 24, 2019, 05:18:17 AM
Thanks

I wasn\'t looking as far back as Best In Show.
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