Baffert to enter Rabbit???

[philywheel]

whats the difference what happened in the belmont or running a rabbit to ensure a fast pace, both seem a little crooked. forgot who posted this but this is thelife we have chosen

philywheel

[Dana666]

Aren\'t those factors we need to consider as bettors? What is the intention here--why is this particular horse in the race? Is it that any different than a trainer dropping a horse in a claiming race who either runs last or runs off the screen? Can anyone fault you for taking a stand on a long-shot in a race where long shots (often very improbable ones) have often panned out very well? I certainly couldn\'t fault that logic because if you win, you\'re gonna get paid, but did you honestly think Baffert was going to try and beat his triple crown chance with his other horse?  That\'s the only thing I don\'t really follow. But again, no one should fault the stand. I certainly don\'t. It\'s better than a jackass like myself betting Hoffburg, I also used Justify in multi-race exotics (but Hoffburg was throwing away money at terrible odds, respectively, like he had any chance to win--I\'ll bet a Mott horse again when Saratoga gets polytrack-and a Tapit no less, the most overrated sire in racing history).

[hellersorr]

The rabbit issue I can deal with.  

The deliberate interference with (at least) two horses while clearly not trying to win COUPLED with Mike Smith\'s apparent shout-out to Florent Geroux after the race, FOLLOWED by the stewards\' \"nothing to see here\" comment . . . well, it all stinks.

And I didn\'t bet the race.

JB\'s timely reference to the 2014 Awesome Again makes it look even worse.

I haven\'t chosen to bet NASCAR or Roller Derby; I\'ve chosen to bet horse racing.  Horse racing gives enough \"eff yous\" to the bettors without throwing in jockeys being directed by trainers to do what Geroux did.

[ChiTownJoe]

Can\'t help but remember what Jeff Mullins said

 \"The problem, Mullins said, \'are all the addicts and idiots crying because they lost a $2 bet,\' and then demanding a level playing field. \'It will never be a level playing field. There are a lot of things people don\'t know, and won\'t know\'.\"

\"If you bet on horses, I would call you an idiot,\" Mullins also told The Times. \"I don\'t bet; there\'s a reason they call it gambling. I train to win and that\'s all I care about. It\'s not my problem (if the general public is deceived). They ought to bring in slot machines, then we could run our horses and make a living without worrying about some crybaby calling the stewards and raising a fit.

[johnnym]

I was in the same boat and that is the part that annoys me.
Is this equal when WinStar took Gettysburg from Pletcher and gave him to Asmussen? He killed me with Governor Malibu

[Dana666]

In the Awesome Again example Shared Belief still won the race! Baffert said on The Today Show today in his homespun style, the other horse can\'t rate and get dirt in his face so he had to be sent like that. Florent put him in the right spot, and he just wasn\'t good enough. I think they had a plan and it worked. That\'s all.

[Boscar Obarra]

Nothing Mullins said there isn\'t obvious to anyone who plays the game.

 If you\'re worried about cheating and not knowing every possible fact, you\'d never bet another horse, or buy another stock .

[P-Dub]

hellersorr Wrote:
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> The rabbit issue I can deal with.  
>
> The deliberate interference with (at least) two
> horses while clearly not trying to win COUPLED
> with Mike Smith\'s apparent shout-out to Florent
> Geroux after the race, FOLLOWED by the stewards\'
> \"nothing to see here\" comment . . . well, it all
> stinks.
>
> And I didn\'t bet the race.
>
> JB\'s timely reference to the 2014 Awesome Again
> makes it look even worse.
>
> I haven\'t chosen to bet NASCAR or Roller Derby;
> I\'ve chosen to bet horse racing.  Horse racing
> gives enough \"eff yous\" to the bettors without
> throwing in jockeys being directed by trainers to
> do what Geroux did.

What exactly did Geroux do that was so heinous??

He was sent, no surprise, and NI couldn\'t outrun him early. He went wide, and NI took back.

After that there every horse had a chance to run him down. They couldn\'t. There was no \"blocking\" down the backstretch. Justify got the lead, nobody was good enough to run him down.

If you bet on Geroux, you can rightfully feel your horse never had a shot.

Woody Stephens made his horse run dead last in the Preakness so he could ruin Winning Color\'s chances.

Shit happens in a horse race. Personalities get involved, egos get involved. In a perfect world all of the horseys get a perfect trip. Not gonna happen.

As for anything else, you guys are making WAY too much out of this.

[bluechip21]

Fuck this guy. How many times has he come out on top in Saratoga due to good trips received from other horses in Todd’s barn? Sorry bud, you were just caught up in a much bigger pond this time. Is there a reason for controversy? Maybe? This stuff has been happening in the game for hundreds of years, and for this asshat to come out and claim foul is right up there with the owner of California Chrome in 2014. ... and does anyone really think Noble Indy was going to soften up Justify? Promises Fufilled couldn’t and neither could Good Magic, but some how Noble Indy is? Give me a break and go hawk some more flavored water at convienence stores...

[JR]

It starts a little early in the day for Californians.

[JR]

I used to think you were smart.

[JR]

You do understand it is exactly this kind of cynicism that has soured the sport in most people’s eyes. When you accept cheating as part of the game, the game is on its last leg.

[JR]

“A plan”. You mean like put your horse out there and get everyone else behind you in as much trouble as you can for as long as you last. That’s cool.

[JR]

C’mon, you’re smarter than that. Geroux had the 2 path locked up. To make a move on Justify meant using the 3 path. You think Baffert doesn’t understand the concept of ground loss?

[bluechip21]

Who exactly chested?