Post Mortem

Started by ringato3, May 07, 2016, 06:47:24 PM

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jerry

They scrape it so that those in the entourage wearing heals don\'t turn an ankle.

jerry

Race certainly separated the contenders from the pretenders. What to make of Outwork? Another Gemologist?

big18741

Two preps,five or six weeks,coming in off pairs(even if they are slower)
seems to work well coming into the Derby.

Nyquist,Gun Runner obviously ran new tops here off that.

That\'s one way to make sense of them running 1-3 here.

miff

Nyquist runs a top, Beyer had it 103(like TG - 1/2)TF has it exactly same.A top for slow, going in, Gun Runner who did lots of running,maybe moved a bit too early causing him second,perhaps

Exaggerator ran well again(lots of water on top of surface)with trouble but may never get past Nyquist in a fairly run race. Goes to Preakness if all ok.

TAP runners were no factor. Moyhaymen, top pick, was a common 4th just holding a troubled trip SBN who will be the sucker closer in Belmont.

Fraud closers from great set ups in BG, Ark Derby no shows in spite of lively pace.

Nyquist got the exact trip as it looked on paper and fired when asked, very honest/determined horse, best of these so far but not dominant imo.
miff

ajkreider

SBN probably will be a sucker bet.  Closers usually are in the Belmont, but that horse always finishes.  Made up 8 lengths on the winner through the stretch. The start was an absolute mess, but I actually thought he got a good ride on the last turn.

TGJB

Another is ground loss. GR will get at best the fifth best number.
TGJB

miff

Methoddology wise for sure but GR did way more running, attending very fast pace, than the ground losers that will get better figs.
miff

FrankD.

Inside paths negative for the day?

TGJB

I thought so for a stretch but it didn\'t hold up. After the Win Star horse ran terrible in the sprint Elliot walked out there to see if it was deeper, texted me it was not.
TGJB

miff

Frank,

Computer kids had track  + 6 lengths fast, app 1 second on their parallel time chart, all paths honest, no wires all day but \"honest\"
miff

FrankD.

Thanks Mike,

Got those post Big Weekend Blues for sure!
Cap your brains out and get slapped big time for 2 days!!!
Triple X 2 in the Navarro mile took some sting out but still a big ouchie!!!!!
Like anyone or everyone who ever looked  at a number Beach Patroll was a BRUTAL BEAT on the heels of losing the Morning Buzz heat in the last the day before!!!!!

justwin

and on the flip side horses with 4 preps ran poorly.

Gerard

Gusts were sporadic but heavier at times out of the west. Forwardly placed horses were probably helped somewhat mid day as they received a push up the backstretch and had no head wind in the home stretch due to shelter from the stands. Sporadic though, so here one race gone the next. Derby winds were calm. Haven\'t seen them yet, but think there may be some favorable patterns and fresh legs to keep Nyquist\'s hands full in Baltimore. At 2-5, no way conceding that one to him.

TGJB

For what it\'s worth, there\'s an argument that all wind helps those behind-- if it\'s in the face of the horses the ones in front catch it while others are covered up, if it\'s behind them the other way around.
TGJB

Gerard

Agreed, but on the backstretch when you\'re conserving more energy to begin with, the affects are negligible in a lot of cases. 100 percent agreed on the theory however.