No DQ Aq8

[billk5300s]

How could they Yakov up when be clearly came out 2 paths and clearly interfered with Clifton Pleasure?  That was as obvious as it gets!

[TGJB]

We just bought Clifton Pleasure for a partnership, so I\'m biased, but I\'m actually shocked they didn\'t take the winner down.

[ringato3]

Horrendous call.  Clearly came over 2 paths, clearly cost the 2nd place horse the win.  

And the inquiry was actually decided VERY FAST, which means they barely deliberated it.

No idea why, no explanation given.  One thing about California stewards, although I don\'t agree with many of their decisions, they announce after the race whether it was a unanimous call and what the thinking of the stewards was (why they made the decision).

Irad on the winner?  

No clue.  

Rob

[miff]

Stewards inquiry and jockeys objection the #3 Yakov (Irad Ortiz Jr) drifts out inside the 3/16th pole while the #7 Clifton Pleasure (Manuel Franco)is running up and has to take up briefly and goes on to finish second. After reviewing the video and speaking to the riders involved in the judgment of the stewards this drift didn't alter the finish of the race the race is official as is. 3-7-8-6

With regard to interference, New York is a "Category 2" state, meaning that Commission rules provide that if the interferer is guilty of causing interference and such interference in the judgment of the Stewards has altered the finish of the race, then the interferer is placed behind the offended horse.

The Stewards consider whether the riders of the horse or horses that are offended continue to give effort to the finish of the race.

The Stewards also consider whether the offending jockey acted in a willful or careless manner while interfering with another horse or jockey, for which the interferer may be disqualified, i.e., placed last or unplaced in the order of finish. For example, if an offending jockey acts in a dangerous manner, exhibits extremely improper riding or impedes several horses, the Stewards may disqualify the offending horse without regard to the specific effect of the foul o

[SoCalMan2]

Stewards call for inquiry. Fouled horse finishes in DH for second, so any trouble had to be enough trouble. Desormeaux gave a ride that had to call into question his sobriety (starting on the rail he ends up in the middle of the track).....and the stewards take about 30 seconds to do nothing. I didn\'t see what happened at Aqu but maybe the Los Al stewards were trying to one up them?

[BitPlayer]

My take: Desormeaux had straightened his horse out before there was contact.  The other horse then came over on him and initiated the contact.

[ringato3]

Mike

Thanks for the info.   A sleepless night (again) over a bad result.  The non-DQ cost me 3k.

Quick question - are you sure about NY being a state where the foul has to cost the victim a placing.  I had always thought NY and California were different here.   I thought california had rules where the infraction had to cost the victim a placing whereas in NY \"a foul is a foul\"

Not sure it is relevant to yesterday\'s race as the foul certainly cost the 7 the race, but it was t deemed a foul.

But would love to get clarification going forward.  

Best

Rob

[Molesap]

Rob,

What Mike posted was literally from the NYRA site. They have a Steward\'s Corner on their website with explanations for the inquiries and links to the specific rule under question. They have a link to the complete rule under questions. The link for Steward\'s Corner is here:

https://www.nyra.com/aqueduct/stewards/

[miff]

Rob,

I posted the stewards explanation. NYRA Stewards,correctly imo, do not want to make anything resembling a marginal DQ. Of course, that gets us into subjective territory. Critics of stewards are generally poorly opinionated, there will always be close calls which can be seen the other way.

NY stewards are not taking down no contact herders/seam closers unless the horses are head bobbing close at the wire.

Sorry for the takedown, we all hope to be on the right side of the decision. Personally agree with stewards 90% of the time, sure others disagree.My peeve would be to call the same foul a dq or not all of the time....be consistent.

Mike

[TGJB]

I\'ve been biting my tongue, because a) I\'m involved with the horse that should have been put up, and b) that was as clear a foul as I (and apparently everyone else, not just here) have seen.

But aside from it being a foul EVEN if you need to determine that it DID affect the outcome, the rule is ridiculous, for the same reason it was ridiculous in the BC Classic a couple years ago. If you have to determine that it DID affect the outcome-- not COULD HAVE-- there\'s no such thing as a foul early in the race. If someone impedes a 1/5 shot going to the first turn and he loses the rider, you can\'t KNOW he would have hit the board. So by their definition it\'s not a foul.

Absurd.

[magicnight]

Just saw on Twitter that I Ortiz has been suspended five days for this.

[Tavasco]

Kinda like the NBA saying Harden\'s last minute game winner should have been called off.

The damage is done. How about suspending the stewards. No backups?

[TGJB]

Question is whether Serling\'s head will explode more than mine.

[miff]

No consolation but fairly often a jockey will
be fined/and or get days even when the stewards don\'t make a dq.All steward rulings are posted on NYRA website.

[ringato3]

Talk about pouring salt in the wounds.

Stewards just suspended Irad for 5 days for the ride on the horse that they thought didn\'t commit a foul...

Really..