STATS is coming, put that hatpin away

Boscar Obarra · August 13, 2015, 07:57:32 PM

At the Jockey Club roundtable, a very interesting presentation.

Starts at around the 53 min mark.

http://jockeyclub.com/default.asp?section=RT&year=2015&area=99

miff · August 14, 2015, 05:25:17 AM

Gotta make more room on the Bowery for the future \"stat\" horse racing bettors.

Topcat · August 14, 2015, 05:49:18 AM

miff Wrote:
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> Gotta make more room on the Bowery for the future
> \"stat\" horse racing bettors.

Yup . . . you aren\'t wholly familiar with the game\'s personalities and their personal predelictions and quirks, you have NO shot. None. Zero.

miff · August 14, 2015, 05:55:24 AM

Top,

Stat players would argue that quirks/predilections are inside the stats

Mike

Topcat · August 14, 2015, 06:55:25 AM

miff Wrote:
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> Stat players would argue that quirks/predilections
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> Mike

They might . . . which would just be one more reason while many of them will be taking their overnight rests atop the grates fronting the restaurant-supply stores hard by Chinatown.

TGJB · August 14, 2015, 10:39:28 AM

Don\'t know what kind of stats they\'re talking about, but there are also the kind we published for the second at Saratoga...

Old Mr. Boston · August 14, 2015, 11:19:57 AM

Jerry Brown, Master of the ABC....Always Be Selling. Well done sir!

Boscar Obarra · August 14, 2015, 11:20:12 AM

I\'ll gently remind that 40 years ago they mocked sheet players as practitioners of voodoo or worse.

Until they picked the pockets of the mockers.

miff · August 14, 2015, 11:35:24 AM

Difference between 40 years ago and now is there was almost no sophisticated data back then,today it\'s all over the place.

Incidentally, before the sheets there was a small group who \"knew\" stuff almost no one else did.They did well vs the average horse player.

TGJB · August 14, 2015, 12:01:39 PM

A certain occasional poster here I believe was the first to publish trainer stats.

Re \"selling\", the hell I do. The subject came up 10 minutes after a first timer won that was trained by a guy who was 3 for 8 with first timers in maiden claimers (2 others in the money), with a $4.85 ROI. This one by a 19% first out sire. Jockey trainer combo 32% with a $4.12 ROI.

Having said that, I agree that stats are a blunt instrument. It\'s just as wrong to apply them to all situations as it is to discount them completely (Friedman\'s position).