miff: Box,

\"smart money\"....could argue that\'s an oxymoron when gambling on horse racing.

No idea on the %\'s you mention, would be interesting if soft money was quantifiable.Isnt every player some form of soft money, time to time?


Mike

Bet Twice: Speaking of sharp and disciplined players who only bet into the big pools (not actually sure that is all he bets) it\'s almost the time of year for mjellish to show up.  Looking forward to hearing his thoughts on the derby.

Boscar Obarra: Come to think of it, I\'ve seen some very serious late plays in big pool/ big races.  Hit rate better than average.

 Must be a few guys like that around.

Dick Powell: When I was with Excelsior Racing and we were bidding on the NYRA franchise, our business plan included takeout reductions from the gaming on a promotional basis. In other words, we wanted to be able to decide what takeout rates were, not the State, and have promotional days like a 10% wednesday.