New Rules On Clen B

[miff]

Clen B, the legal drug darling of many successful outfits, has new rules which take effect Dec. 12 in NY. Will be interesting to see how the high percentage NY trainers do going forward.Just another variable players need to consider.

In Cali, the same Clen B rules in effect for awhile,seems to have done very little so far to reduce the percentage of winners from the top outfits. Only Doug O\'Neil seems to be slumping, but he is notoriously streaky.

Nebulizers all over the joint now in an effort to keep allergens out of the horses airways but the steroidal effect of Clen B should now be gone(unless they have something new)

Wonder if Sight has any insights into what will happen to horses \"off\" Clen B that were getting a few cc\'s on a regular basis.


Mike

[TGJB]

There are definitely some lower \"last 90 days\" with other big names Cali trainers.

[miff]

JB,

Think last 30 days may be a better barometer, Sadler(#1 target of Arthur)Baffert,Hollendorfer winning near 30%. Mitchell starting much fewer horses since ill.O\'Neill just won a couple,maybe circling back.

Like the grandstand move back when certain steroids were banned,nothing much has changed relative to which trainers win most of the races in NY Cali.

NY may be different in that 4 of the top winning trainers were heavy Clen B in between users,don\'t know who we\'re the the heavy Clen B trainers in Cali.

Mikel

[TGJB]

Keep in mind that a) they have small fields and b) those guys are running against each other. I\'m looking at the figures the horses run, not just win %, and some guys are not getting the efforts they were before. It\'s going to take time to sort it all out, though.

Word was that people were using a form of clenbuterol many times stronger than the standard one. Sight might know more.

[miff]

It stands to reason that if Clen B was significant in the figs and certain trainers win %, it should show up rather quickly.

[gteasy]

Baffert, Sadler, O\'Neill, Peter Miller, and Jeff Mullins won 14 of 39 races carded last four racing days...Mullins just one but keep the antennae up on this barn.

Classic Baffert score with Really Mr Greely, the longest price of the four he entered in a five horse field...ALWAYS respect this angle...moderate effort in debut, then jumped to a TWO...likely bounce but still fast enough to hang on over Super Ninety Nine, the BC Juvenile Sprint scratch.

[miff]

Why cant the US race like the rest of the world?....oops!



\"English and Irish multiple champion Snow Fairy has tested positive for anti-inflammatory medication and as a result was disqualified from her victory in the Aug. 19 Darley Prix Jean Romanet (Fr-I) at Deauville.

\"Snow Fairy has required medication to help with her tendon injury,\" trainer Ed Dunlop told The Racing Post. \"Unfortunately the withdrawal period was longer than we had been advised. We would like to offer our sincerest apologies to all concerned parties\"

[sighthound]

Eh, I never bought that clenbuterol overuse could do much for muscling.

[miff]

Lasix,shmaix, who needs it!


\"Wellman said that Capo Bastone spent significant time in a hyperbaric oxygen chamber to help with any "minor scarring of the lung tissue as a result of the bleeding episode in the Breeders' Cup Juvenile."

[Lost Cause]

miff Wrote:
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> Lasix,shmaix, who needs it!
>
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> \"Wellman said that Capo Bastone spent significant
> time in a hyperbaric oxygen chamber to help with
> any "minor scarring of the lung tissue as a result
> of the bleeding episode in the Breeders' Cup
> Juvenile."


Certainly looked like he was going to run by at the top of the stretch and then just stopped...I thought the no lasix thing in the BC was horrific from a betting standpoint.  No way to know who was going to do what once the lasix was off.

Hope the horse comes out of it okay..

[miff]

Bad for the horse,the owner,and the players.

[miff]

DRF:
Aqueduct: New York altering medication rules Dec. 26
By David Grening

OZONE PARK, N.Y. - Several new rules regarding the usage and administration of certain medications in New York that were scheduled to be implemented with Wednesday\'s opening of Aqueduct\'s inner track have been amended and will now not go into effect until Dec. 26, according to the New York State Racing and Wagering Board.

The racing board has changed the time frame for the administration of clenbuterol, a bronchodilator, from 21 days to 14 days. It previously had been four days.

Further, the racing board has amended the time frame for administration into joints of DepoMedrol, a synthesized adrenal steroid used to reduce inflammation, from 15 days to 7 days.

\"Based upon feedback from the Task Force on Racehorse Health and Safety and industry-wide discussion, the Board is amending its rules regarding clenbuterol and DepoMedrol,\" said Lee Park, a spokesman for the racing and wagering board in an e-mail late Monday afternoon. \"The Task Force has asked the Racing and Wagering Board to change its time frame for clenbuterol administration from the original 21 days to 14 days and the time frame for intra-articular administration of DepoMedrol from 15 days to 7 days. This will put New York\'s rules in line with measures approved by the Association of Racing Commissioners International.\"

\"Additionally, the Board is putting finishing touches on a comprehensive data entry system for trainers and veterinarians to input records of corticosteroid administrations,\" Park said. \"The effective date of these changes, expected to be approved by the Board [on Tuesday], will be Dec. 26, 2012.\"

The Task Force on Racehorse Health and Safety was formed in the spring by Gov. Andrew Cuomo following the death of 21 horses during Aqueduct\'s inner track meet.

Its highly detailed report was released in October, and the state racing board rushed to adopt emergency rules to coincide with the opening of the inner track.

In the interim, several racing organizations, including the Association of American Equine Practitioners, the Racing Medication Testing Consortium, and the Jockey Club have met in an attempt to draft national medication guidelines.

John Kimmel, a New York-based trainer and veterinarian, is on the racing committee of the equine practitioners and said Monday morning he was hopeful that a group of national standards would be adopted soon.

\"Hopefully, it\'ll be adopted by as many racing jurisdictions as it can,\" Kimmel said. \"The guidelines for that are a little different than what we have here in New York. I think New York will have to accommodate the national standard in order to sell it to everybody else.\"

As part of the new rules, trainers must submit records to the racing board of any corticosteroid joint injections given to horses within 48 hours of treatment. In the case of claiming, trainers must provide new owners of a claimed horse 30-day corticosteroid joint injection records within 48 hours of the claim being made.

Until such time as a national policy is adopted, New York\'s rules will still be more stringent than many of its neighboring states from which it draws horses. It is likely to cut down on shippers for the upcoming inner track meet. Last year, shippers made up 10 percent of the horses who ran at Aqueduct.

\"I think you\'ll lose your shippers just on clenbuterol,\" said Bruce Levine, a New York-based trainer who started 103 horses at last year\'s inner track meet. \"I think the injecting rule should be seven days and not 15. . . . I don\'t think injecting a horse seven days out -- doing the hocks or something like that -- is going to make a horse break down.\"
Mike Trombetta is a Maryland-based trainer who has started 32 horses in New York the last two winters. Since the rules in Maryland and Pennsylvania allow clenbuterol to be given within four days, Trombetta said he will have to be \"extremely selective\" in what horses he can send to run in New York.

\"If Plan A is to run at Laurel and Parx and the race doesn\'t go, and the racing office there calls and says we have a race for that horse, I\'m going to have to decline,\" Trombetta said. \"What is okay practice in most places is now forbidden in New York. I don\'t understand what the purpose is.\"

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 chad mc rory34 minutes ago
Paulick says the new board will air its\' meeting on Wed 12/12 at 3pm on www.nyra.com
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 chad mc rory3 hours ago
Kimmel is right. The trick is getting neighboring states to comply - then you have a region, which would answer Trombettas\' question by having same rules in Md, Pa,Del and Va. When real racing resumes in New York in the Spring, the outfits shipping back in from Florida and Kentucky will already know the rules and damn sure will be ready to comply. Make New York the Standard that it once was... best Racing in the World. This plan might be sneaky-good! AND no Feds in the sheds.
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 Anonymous3 hours ago
Assuming this is all for the best let\'s remember the Trainer. This person is totally responsible for the care of his/her horse(s). We should appreciate the accepted burden of any new or changed rules. I am sure it is very difficult job to plan entries even prior to theses changes. My question is will we see a change in performance on some horses
because of the timing constraints on Clenbuterol? But, anyway, let\'s thank all the good trainers for his/her hard work. Their job only gets more challenging these days. RD btr
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 russell9 hours ago
Clenbuterol is one of the most abused medications. There was a TVG special on racing meds this weekend and Jack Van Berg flipped out on the abuse of this drug. And guess who was one of the worst abusers; Rick Dutrow. Numerous positives for over the limit on this drug.
NYRA is doing the right thing and I don\'t care what some of these trainers say.
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 chad mc rory3 hours agoWhen Van Berg talks, listen. When Van Berg flips, really listen!Reply +2



 jttf11 hours ago
even the trainers admit, the stronger the drug, the better for them. that is where they will race their horse. the tests results cant pick up who the cheaters are. so why have any drug limitations ? let everyone cheat. just fine the horse connections a minimum of $100,000 for horse who cant finish a race. when a purse is greater than $100,000, the fine matches the amount of the purse. if a horse finishes more than 30 lengths behind the winner, fine them $10,000. there is no fine if another horse or miscelaneous event caused the injury. track conditions are no excuse. every trainer can walk the track or see if there are other horses being hurt on the track. if you dont like the situation, you can always scratch your horse before the race. what flavor of milkshake do you prefer ?
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 Thomas Cook11 hours agoWhat \"trainers\" admit stronger the drug to better? That is about the most uninformed, slanderous comment I have seen about drug abuse. And its not always easy to scratch. You enter on dirt you run without a good excuse related to horses\' health. Off turf is an easier declaration our of a race. Reply +1

 chad mc rory3 hours agoFines do NOT protect Racehorses.Reply 0



 Peter13 hours ago
When did the state and gov do anything that benefited anyone but them selfs now there trying to run are races after they stole the casinos!
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 mikey12 hours agoWait till the gov run\'s for pres in 2016.The field will be The Chubb Gov vs the Conrol Freak.Racing in N.Y. in the winter is a joke.I hope not as many horse\'s break down as did last year.Reply 0



 Mike D16 hours ago
Go figure. Aqueduct 6 horse fields in the winter. Haven\'t we seen this before. Hello Tampa, Gulfstream and Penn National!! Only suckers stay in New York. Trainers get $120/day there. You have to run 2nd in a race just to break even on expenses for the month.
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 Marc Ferrell14 hours agoMike D: I work with several trainers in NY and none of them has exceeded $90/day so your figure is not correct. Baffet in CA is $100/day and I do not know what Pletcher is but do not think it is $120 per day.Reply 1 reply+1

 M D13 hours agoMott $100 pletcher $120 mclaughlin $120. I would agree next tier trainers are $100. Vet bills are outrageous too. Reply 0

 Thomas Cook12 hours agoWhen hay is $20.00 a bale for alfalfa. Grain $12.00 a bag...these bulk prices.. blacksmiths $120.00. Grooms $300-500 a week depending on number of horses in their care. Hot walkers. Good exercise rider $600. Assistant $800. Linamints for legs. Straw bedding daily..ALL THIS EXPENSE WEEKLY!! Trainers not getting rich off day rates.. They/we have to get results. Never mind owners vet bills...Most I have seen is $100.. in last ten yrs. Rumored Lukas got more in past. Now too many so called trainers cutting their own throats to get horses.Reply +1



 mikey16 hours ago
Just another case where the rule\'s are not the same at all track\'s.How will the game get new player\'s with no uniform rule\'s.Every state plays the game the way they want.They need to get their act together and have the same betting and med law\'s.With uncoupled horse\'s and horse\'s running for purse only no one new would believe it.How can a horse run for purse only and still not have an outcome on it.WAKE UP BEFORE IT\'S TOO LATE.
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