P-Val Retired

[Edgorman]

The reason for the difference between 1900-1960 and 1960-now is that people are living much longer now.  And getting much fatter.

[jma11473]

The average college-age male was 133 pounds in 1900. In 2000, he was 166 pounds.

For all adult males, the gain was 25 pounds between 1960 and today. Obviously the change in lifestyle (more sedentary, easier for a 50-year-old to gain weight than a college-age male) explains some of that, but yes, jockeys have not been allowed the same percentage of gain that improved nutrition and health care brought to the rest of the population.

[jma11473]

Edgorman Wrote:
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> The reason for the difference between 1900-1960
> and 1960-now is that people are living much longer
> now.  And getting much fatter.


Lots more fast food in the past 50 years, lot more people working at computers than at manual labor.

[Footlick]

I\'ve known quite a few and they all purged after eating.

[sighthound]

Nutrition.
Penicillin.

[sighthound]

But those are not the people who are jockeys, for the most part.

You couldn\'t take a bunch of average, 2011 10-year-old boys and girls and expect any of them to be able to make current jock weight at age 16-30.  Cajuns, South Americans, Cubans, Europeans ... people with three generations of restricted or poorer nutrition (hence smaller height and weights genetically) make jockeys nowadays.  Americans tend to be too huge, too tall, too big-boned, even if they kept their weight normal rather than overweight as most are nowadays.

Absolutely I\'d give jocks in America 5 more pounds.  It\'s absurd, to ask men to hold 1200-lb horses at 126 pounds of muscle.  

And frankly, having a little more weight on a horse will help it develop stronger bone at it grows.  Trainers would have to go back to giving horses some time off to grow up, etc.   Too bad we don\'t have the biggest money available for 4-year-olds and up in handicap divisions.  The stud barn siren call has ruined the breed, and plenty of racing quality over the years, too.

Happy Holidays.

[jumpnthefire]

man it sounds like the tradition  of purging and drugging and such will suffer if we change the scale and \"gasp\' we might actually improve the bread in the process ..but you know what it will never happen  as long as the mentality as change is bad attitude.

[Rick B.]

jumpnthefire Wrote:
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> man it sounds like the tradition  of purging and
> drugging and such will suffer if we change the
> scale and \"gasp\' we might actually improve the
> bread in the process ..but you know what it will
> never happen  as long as the mentality as change
> is bad attitude.

Even if they add 10 pounds to the scale of weights, don\'t kid yourself -- there will still be purging and other bad stuff going on, just at higher weights.

As an example, Laffit Pincay is naturally a 140 lb. man, so even under an \"improved\" weight scale, he would have had to reduce substantially -- to the tune of being over 10% underweight. So much for better bread.

[P-Dub]

Good thing you\'re not P-Dub.

He would have been told to stop already.

The Boss asks me \"what is it, a reflex??\" on the Rapid Redux thread.
Hey JB, want to count the posts in this thread??

How many posts is this guy gonna make restating the same thing ad nauseum??  Or do you like is type of \"reflex\"??

We get it Rick, move along already.
 
Merry Christmas.

[Rick B.]

P-Dub Wrote:
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> Good thing you\'re not P-Dub.
>
> He would have been told to stop already.
>
> The Boss asks me \"what is it, a reflex??\" on the
> Rapid Redux thread.
> Hey JB, want to count the posts in this thread??
>
> How many posts is this guy gonna make restating
> the same thing ad nauseum??  Or do you like is
> type of \"reflex\"??
>
> We get it Rick, move along already.
>  
> Merry Christmas.

I don\'t think I like the new \"P-Dub as Victim\"...\"P-Dub the Curmudgeon\" was at least honest, even if somewhat annoying at times.

I\'ve been admonished by TGJB in the past to tone it down, \"move along\", etc...and I do so, without question nor complaint, since he is the Forum Grand Poobah. (He is the *only* Poobah here that I know of, if you get my drift.)

Anyway, Paul, Merry Christmas...from one curmudgeon to another.  

RB

[P-Dub]

P-Dub the victim.  I like that, good one Rick.

I do appreciate your conviction, and I mean that with all sincerity.  I think the scales can be moved, but its been debated enough.  

Happy Holidays to you and your loved ones.