DRF reporting that Gomez picked POTN

jimbo66 · April 19, 2009, 01:14:12 PM

Silver,

We will have to see. Your point is valid. I would argue that this year\'s derby does not have the depth of horses in the 10-1 to 20-1 range that the Street Sense derby had. But we won\'t see whose right for another 13 days.

Dunkirk at 10-1, if it happens, is very tempting, assuming that Anderson\'s decision doesn\'t reflect something about the way Dunkirk is doing (as TGJB just posted)

Frank · April 19, 2009, 01:53:32 PM

How about this theory? It was such a tough decision that the fat guarantee from owner Zayat tipped the scales in favour of that horse. Possible?

MonmouthGuy · April 19, 2009, 03:49:08 PM

More than possible.

congaree1 · April 19, 2009, 05:26:14 PM

If Dunkirk wins the derby, I retire from the game.
He has:
0 two year old foundation
0 Stakes win
A terrible running style for the derby
A trainer that is 0-24 in the derby

Indulge!!!

ajkreider · April 19, 2009, 07:22:48 PM

Makes it all the more surprising that GG labored over the decision. Dunkirk\'s resume isn\'t in the same zip code as POTN\'s - but it still took forever to get a choice.

jimbo66 · April 19, 2009, 08:53:08 PM

TGJB,

Any idea if Anderson uses your figures or the other guys? Apparently, POTN looks better on Rags than he does on TG.

shanahan · April 20, 2009, 02:34:00 AM

he uses Ragz according to the Saturday Stein show...

miff · April 20, 2009, 06:33:10 AM

Yeah,but he used to glance at TG sheets more than once at the SPA many years ago.Think he looks at lots of stuff now.

Jim,

Re POTN,horses with wide running styles seem to get better figs on Rags than TG, comparatively speaking.You will rarely see a big fig on RAGS if a horse wires along in the inside.Have you noticed that when comparing the two?

Gave up trying to figure out why TG and RAGS differ substantially from time to time.It\'s more than just split variants, that dont work either.Very different pattern pictures painted by these products for the same horse on occasion, the derby has several.

Probably best to see the differences,TG/Rags, so the pools are not always slanted to the \"sheet\" horse.

Mike

TGJB · April 20, 2009, 08:59:43 AM

Miff-- we used to use some of the same ground guys as Ragozin, and some of them do use the \"fan out\" (leaving the turn) too much in their ground, and therefore get them too wide. Long time readers of this board with very good memories might remember the time we got into it with Friedman over the ground on a BC Mile horse, and Len\'s hilarious explanation for their getting it wrong (had to do with centrifugal force only existing on part of the turn).