Friedman says Pletchers horse running well on the whole

[Street Sense]

Good post.  Thumbs up to Sighthound as well.  Good reading.

[TGJB]

Back from Saratoga, and I just want to make one quick comment on this string-- you ain\'t gonna see a lwasuit about the drug comments on this board, most certainly not involving me. I\'m PRAYING for that to happen, and certain individuals-- who may have discussed the situation with lawyers-- must know why. I can think of nothing better than being in a situation where a) I can subpeona all of the records of trainers and vets, and depose them under oath, b) get to show the world in a well publicized trial the before and after TG figures of horses that were moved up (prety good publicity, that), and c) correlate a) and b).

Aside from which, as Richie has pointed out, it\'s awful tough to prove damages. I went through that when I talked to lawyers about the lies the Ragozin office and operatives were saying about us, and we had that stuff on tape.

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

Truth is an absolute defense, but no one wants to go to court. There is no real justice in Court, what occurs there is conflict resolution.

The oxygen cycle is the primary focus now on the Tour de France. There\'s only so many ways to get more performance out of muscle. Sure the dilators are a factor, but they really don\'t increase the oxygen carrying capacity of the blood. They increase the volume of air passing the lungs. EPO was/is a novel way of increasing oxygen carrying red blood cells and it had/has risks. Many experimenting trainers lost horses, including Plech. I believe the dopers are  into traditional Tour de France blood packing now. Transfusions/injections from donors and blood removed from the subject and later reintroduced. There\'s more work and expense with transfusions, but the results are more predictable.  

This issue will be addressed when the Tour stakes out the procedure. They will set the agenda and Horse racing will follow. One test sure to develop is Red Blood Cell Count thresholds similar to Carbonate thresholds. We need some basic thresholds in place unless Lawyer Ron is to win every major race by 5 plus lengths.

I haven\'t heard that Horse Racing tests for Donor Blood. They better get on it fast.

CtC

TGJB Wrote:
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> Back from Saratoga, and I just want to make one
> quick comment on this string-- you ain\'t gonna see
> a lwasuit about the drug comments on this board,
> most certainly not involving me. I\'m PRAYING for
> that to happen, and certain individuals-- who may
> have discussed the situation with lawyers-- must
> know why. I can think of nothing better than being
> in a situation where a) I can subpeona all of the
> records of trainers and vets, and depose them
> under oath, b) get to show the world in a well
> publicized trial the before and after TG figures
> of horses that were moved up (prety good
> publicity, that), and c) correlate a) and b).
>
> Aside from which, as Richie has pointed out, it\'s
> awful tough to prove damages. I went through that
> when I talked to lawyers about the lies the
> Ragozin office and operatives were saying about
> us, and we had that stuff on tape.

[bobphilo]

Chuckles,

Finally, a productive post with a practical method for testing for blood doping, rather than the usual accusations. At least until the end when you spoil it with another groundless accusation concerning Lawyer Ron.

Bob

[spa]

Chuckles,a one note song..............we\'ve got big money tomorrow at Del Mar,can you give us a break for 24 hours?

[sighthound]

>>>> you ain\'t gonna see a lwasuit about the drug comments on this board, most certainly not involving me. I\'m PRAYING for that to happen, and certain individuals-- who may have discussed the situation with lawyers-- must know why. I can think of nothing better than being in a situation where a) I can subpeona all of the records of trainers and vets, and depose them under oath, b) get to show the world in a well publicized trial the before and after TG figures of horses that were moved up (prety good publicity, that), and c) correlate a) and b).

Good point.

Snake venom is a Category A penalty.  We\'ll see.