NoCarolinaTony: Michael,

Bob and I have gone back and forth on many an issue, but his data is confirmed by multiple sources, including horsemen I know. Not sure what Jerry uses, but he may want to use trackus where possible vs trackman if you know what i mean.

NC Tony

TGJB: Michael-- I\'ve been trying to stay out of this for fear of making things REALLY complicated. Because, as you might remember, a \"length\" in this business turns out to be a measure of time, not distance, and the different teletimer companies a) use slightly different formulas, and b) won\'t tell the public what they are.

I don\'t know what Trakus uses, we haven\'t really looked at their stuff yet. We decided a long time ago that the ratio of a \"length\" to a \"path\" (slightly more than the width of a horse) was around a little over 3 to 1, so we used PI, since that conveniently gave us 1 path = 1 length. As I recall, Ragozin used 1 path = .95 lengths, something like that.

Michael D.: thanks Jerry  ....

nice job with the BC.

the handicapping on the juvenile races was great stuff.