A Maiden in the Derby

[cubfan0316]

explain what d. wayne could poss. have learned recently that would make him a better trainer?he and all the others been training for years so how could all of a sudden their horses are running better? let me tell you,>>>>>>> DRUGS. pretty simple..

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

cubfan0316 Wrote:
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> explain what d. wayne could poss. have learned
> recently that would make him a better trainer?he
> and all the others been training for years so how
> could all of a sudden their horses are running
> better? let me tell
> you,>>>>>>> DRUGS. pretty
> simple..

Lots of truth to the above, which makes one ask was Lukas onto the \"tonic\" between about 1985-1995 or so until other trainers found a better elixer?

My unscientific belief is that it took better breeding to come up with an elite horse in the past. But today, good breeding is far less important with the tonic remedies. Lukas can still win when he gets a well bred horse. Azeri for example, but it takes a standout now with all the Jump-Up trainers and their special tonics. Azeri getting the eclipse nod over Sightseek is another matter entirely.

Which brings me to the Lukas records. You can\'t take away his B.C. winners and Triple Crown winners. They were all legit. Add them up and he may have the best statistics ever. I\'m not sure about that. Jimmy Jones won a lot of big races and so did Sunny Fitz. They obviously had much higher batting averages, but Lukas clearly was a numbers cruncher.

But the eclipse winners are something else entirely. Many times a Lukas horse has gotten the nod from the writers and voters and when you look at the data and past performances all you can do is scratch your head until you realize he conned the press too. He\'s just got the golden touch with influencing  people.

If you had a top flight horse would you bring it to him? He might win an eclipse for you with an inferior record. Then again, he might also break that horse down the first day of training. I think I have at least 20 horsmen I\'d bring my horse to before Lukas, but I know the game. He rubbed shoulders with the wealthy and they bought into his sales pitch.



 

[richiebee]

Note in the DRF that Thoroughbred Hall of Fame trainer DWL will be inducted into the Quarter Horse Hall of Fame in 2007. He will become the only individual to be inducted into both of these halls.

I think its fair to point out that DWL has placed some of his horses imprudently, with tragic results.

I think its fair to point out that most of his success has come with 2YOs and 3YOs, and that he has sometimes not listened to an animal who was telling him \"enough\" (ie Lady\'s Secret).

I think its fair to point out that DWL has never trained many top notch turf runners (there was Steinlein).

I think its fair to point out that DWL\'s breakthrough major client, Eugene Klein, probably lost money in racing despite all of his major stake wins with DWL.

DWL has been a shameless self promoter since he arrived on the scene. As Silver Charm points out, however, he has been promoting the sport of Thoroughbred racing at the same time.

Personally, when I think of DWL, I think of the voice inside of me which tells me not to take his horses lightly in big events, no matter what the price... Commendable, Charismatic, Cat Thief, etc.

The one DWL runner I will never forget made her debut in a NJ bred maiden race in August 88 at Monmouth Park. At nearly 11/1 her pedigree stood out in this J Bred race--she was by Deputy Minister out of a Stage Door Johnny mare-- and she was the easiest kind of winner. My memory is unclear, she may have run against J bred colts in this race, because there was no way a Lukas filly with this kind of pedigree should have been 11/1, but I remember betting all I had plus whatever I could borrow.

Open Mind went on to become 2YO and 3YO champion filly.