Please enough already

[Bull]

    Am I the only one wondering what the hell happened to this board, which used to be so informative, thought provoking, and helpful? For the record I am neutral, I am on no one\'s side, except the side that wants this board return to what it used to be. Here are my complaints....

    In my opinion, there are some posters here who just look to slam CH\'s posts, just because it\'s CH. Granted sometimes it is justified, but it takes up so much damn space and monopolizes the time of the majority of people who used to have something meaningful to say. Look at the threads the past few months or so. There are so many of them which start off on one topic and then turn into eternally long strings of posts about something completely different and irrelevant, mostly arguments and childish name calling between CH, CTC and a few others. Some posters spend so much time responding to all of the nonsense on this board, that their once enlightening posts have fallen by the wayside.

   
    Jerry has touched on this before but I will shed light on it as well, the number of posts that say the EXACT same thing are bordering on the level of annoying. I am sick of hearing about the Lousiana Derby and the figures those horses earned. I understand for the future, the accuracy of the past numbers are important, but it\'s starting to get old. High Limit, Vicarage, Scipion; I do not think a whole lot of these bums anyway and the accuracy of that number will do little to disuade me on that. Chuckles, I am not trying to be rude, so don\'t take it this way, but the Bellamy Road Wood figure discussion needs to stop. Give it a rest already. You are on record already with your opinions. Everytime a horse from the Wood, or any 3yo from the Derby runs in any race, we do not need a rehash of that discussion.


   This place is starting to resemble a third grade classroom where a few people start teasing one kid in class and everyone else joins in too. I am sick of it. Listen, I rarely agree with ANYTHING Class has to say, but I do not need to respond everytime he posts something moronic just to pop in and say \"Class you\'re wrong and stupid\", the way others here do. Disagreement of opinions and civil discussion is great, and makes a bulletin board a great idea. I think this board would be rather dull if everyone agreed with everything posted. But there are people who post and respond to posts just to say something negative and critical of other posters. If you are not going to bring anything new or insightful other than the same old \"Class is wrong\", \"Chuckles is annoying\", then please do not post. Just ignore them.

   Jerry, you have attempted to curb some of these wasteful, annoying posts in the past, but the problem still exists in my opinion. The majority of the time, this board is just a forum for what comes off as non-racing related bickering. This is a board for horseplayers, not marriage counseling. I am tired of reading CH post something and then seeing a reply \"Class you\'re wrong, idiot\", and then seeing Class come back with \"You misunderstand my point, why don\'t you guys like me, Im not posting here anymore\". I see the same kind of trash in every new thread started.

I like all of you guys, and have respect for each and everyone\'s opinions, even though I may disagree. Can we please turn this board back into what it was the past few years? This used to be a one stop shop full of racing information, handicapping discussions, and solutions to clean up the game, and made all of us, and the game itself better off because of it. I do not know about you guys, but the board just has a different feel and tone to it now.

Overlays to all and to all a good night!!!!


-Bull

[HP]

Bull,

I tend to agree with your points, and I recognize the problem.  However, just scroll down this page and you will see that CH has posted THIRTY TIMES ON THIS FIRST PAGE OF POSTS ALONE.  That\'s A LOT of posting.  

He posts on EVERYTHING.  He\'s an expert on EVERY subject.  Also, every conversation is a one-way street.  He has his opinion going in, and nothing changes it.  He obviously doesn\'t put that much stock in TG, and yet he posts here continuously.  

I often think of ignoring him, but he comes out with some whoppers.  He will post 15 times on the fact that he thinks drinking in the morning is different than drinking in the evening.  For most people, it IS different, except when someone is going to drink with dinner and then ride horses for a living.  The only comparison to Valenzuela WAS MADE BY CH HIMSELF, and basically, he is debating WITH HIMSELF since no one else is making this comparison.  

If CH had even a smidgeon of commonsense, humility, or even the sense of moderation to say, \"hey, I\'ve made my point,\" it would be different.  Instead, we are treated to his self-pity parade after his 80th post on the same subject - \"why doesn\'t anyone like me?\"  What can you do?

I\'m an opinionated guy, but I don\'t think I have the nerve to monopolize a forum the way CH and Chuckles do...  God forbid they should take a hint and give themselves a limit of posts (ten a day!?).  Yeesh.

HP

[congaree1]

Well said Bull! The board should just start talking about Soap Operas! We should focus on cashing tickets and handicapping, nothing else matters in here.

CON

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

There was a day when the races were tied to each other and not to other days. A correlation existed between the 1st race on the card and the 9th race on the card. In that manner a horse\'s effort (Call him Reliable Jeff) could be compared and contrasted with the times run by other horses that day. Regardless of when Reliable Jeff\'s following race was it was a novel event. He was a virgin again, figure wise, as it pertained to the race he was about to run.

Somewhere along the way, figures evolved so that the day to day race time disconnect became a race to race disconnect. The reason for this was that careful observers noticed Reliable Jeff finishing consistently vs. his equine competition but running inconsistently compared to other races that day vs. the clock. Careful observers finally concluded the racetrack itself was not a static inanimate factor, but was rather closer to a living breathing thing. A tempestuous woman if you will capable of very sudden mood changes.  In that context, Reliable Jeffs races weren\'t reliable anymore compared to the day\'s card, the reliability mutated to reliability from one day to another. In other words were reliable regarding his next race.

When factoring the number for the current race evolves to considering the number of past races you have an issue arise where repetition is part of the process. In other words, you can\'t factor Reliable Jeff\'s effort for today without considering how Reliable Jeff ran in the Travers or Kentucky Derby or Wood Memorial or even a NW1X at Hallandale. In that manner of deduction, there is a certain amount of Deja Vu. In other words the past is relevant to the future. Or in still other words its impossible to talk about todays race without considering yesterdays performances.

Obviously, when questions arise regarding Reliable Jeffs Deja Vu numbers the antiquated method is one way of scrutinizing for accuracy. In other words, tying the races to each other again.

I\'ve probably confused you.

Bull Wrote:
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> Am I the only one wondering what the hell happened
> to this board, which used to be so informative,
> thought provoking, and helpful? For the record I
> am neutral, I am on no one\'s side, except the side
> that wants this board return to what it used to
> be. Here are my complaints....
>
>     In my opinion, there are some posters here who
> just look to slam CH\'s posts, just because it\'s
> CH. Granted sometimes it is justified, but it
> takes up so much damn space and monopolizes the
> time of the majority of people who used to have
> something meaningful to say. Look at the threads
> the past few months or so. There are so many of
> them which start off on one topic and then turn
> into eternally long strings of posts about
> something completely different and irrelevant,
> mostly arguments and childish name calling between
> CH, CTC and a few others. Some posters spend so
> much time responding to all of the nonsense on
> this board, that their once enlightening posts
> have fallen by the wayside.
>
>    
>     Jerry has touched on this before but I will
> shed light on it as well, the number of posts that
> say the EXACT same thing are bordering on the
> level of annoying. I am sick of hearing about the
> Lousiana Derby and the figures those horses
> earned. I understand for the future, the accuracy
> of the past numbers are important, but it\'s
> starting to get old. High Limit, Vicarage,
> Scipion; I do not think a whole lot of these bums
> anyway and the accuracy of that number will do
> little to disuade me on that. Chuckles, I am not
> trying to be rude, so don\'t take it this way, but
> the Bellamy Road Wood figure discussion needs to
> stop. Give it a rest already. You are on record
> already with your opinions. Everytime a horse from
> the Wood, or any 3yo from the Derby runs in any
> race, we do not need a rehash of that discussion.
>
>
>
>    This place is starting to resemble a third
> grade classroom where a few people start teasing
> one kid in class and everyone else joins in too. I
> am sick of it. Listen, I rarely agree with
> ANYTHING Class has to say, but I do not need to
> respond everytime he posts something moronic just
> to pop in and say \"Class you\'re wrong and stupid\",
> the way others here do. Disagreement of opinions
> and civil discussion is great, and makes a
> bulletin board a great idea. I think this board
> would be rather dull if everyone agreed with
> everything posted. But there are people who post
> and respond to posts just to say something
> negative and critical of other posters. If you are
> not going to bring anything new or insightful
> other than the same old \"Class is wrong\",
> \"Chuckles is annoying\", then please do not post.
> Just ignore them.
>
>    Jerry, you have attempted to curb some of these
> wasteful, annoying posts in the past, but the
> problem still exists in my opinion. The majority
> of the time, this board is just a forum for what
> comes off as non-racing related bickering. This is
> a board for horseplayers, not marriage counseling.
> I am tired of reading CH post something and then
> seeing a reply \"Class you\'re wrong, idiot\", and
> then seeing Class come back with \"You
> misunderstand my point, why don\'t you guys like
> me, Im not posting here anymore\". I see the same
> kind of trash in every new thread started.
>
> I like all of you guys, and have respect for each
> and everyone\'s opinions, even though I may
> disagree. Can we please turn this board back into
> what it was the past few years? This used to be a
> one stop shop full of racing information,
> handicapping discussions, and solutions to clean
> up the game, and made all of us, and the game
> itself better off because of it. I do not know
> about you guys, but the board just has a different
> feel and tone to it now.
>
> Overlays to all and to all a good night!!!!
>
>
> -Bull

[Bull]

Chuckles the Clown, Thank You SO MUCH for proving the point I was trying to make.

From my post...

\"I understand for the future, the accuracy of the past numbers is important...\"

CTC it\'s almost as if you do not even read the posts here, rather you are forming the next tedious post in your head. If you did read my post, you would have seen the above quote, and therefore there was no need to reply with three paragraphs about the need for accurate past numbers. Chuckles, I was not shooting down your opinion about the BR figure, I was just saying we know your opinion on the matter, and you do not need to keep reminding us.

As for the backhanded \"I\'ve probably confused you...\" from your post, I will take the high road and not even get involved with it. As I said before, this board is for horseplayers, self-serving posts and childish name calling belong somewhere else.


-Bull

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

You obviously still dont get it.

Every time another race is run it involves an automative rehash of the priors. That goes without exception.

Your point was meritless. Contribute or move on.

Its this ex post facto review that the other guys dont do. Beyer finally concluded his edge on figures was dissipated. That occurred for the same reason. You have to be willing go back and at the very least get beaten lengths and wide correct.

Bull Wrote:
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> Chuckles the Clown, Thank You SO MUCH for proving
> the point I was trying to make.
>
> From my post...
>
> \"I understand for the future, the accuracy of the
> past numbers is important...\"
>
> CTC it\'s almost as if you do not even read the
> posts here, rather you are forming the next
> tedious post in your head. If you did read my
> post, you would have seen the above quote, and
> therefore there was no need to reply with three
> paragraphs about the need for accurate past
> numbers. Chuckles, I was not shooting down your
> opinion about the BR figure, I was just saying we
> know your opinion on the matter, and you do not
> need to keep reminding us.
>
> As for the backhanded \"I\'ve probably confused
> you...\" from your post, I will take the high road
> and not even get involved with it. As I said
> before, this board is for horseplayers,
> self-serving posts and childish name calling
> belong somewhere else.
>
>
> -Bull

[TGJB]

CTC-- that is not true, and enough already.

[Bull]

My point that you proved, Chuckles, had nothing to do with figure making. You proved my point that people on this board are posting the same old self-serving nonsense and/or bring up the same old tired stuff over and over. Obviously YOU don\'t get it....but no one is shocked. I am done with this thread. I am a professional gambler and I have more important things to worry about then getting into a verbal sparring match, over the internet no less. Chuckles grow up. Jerry, if things don\'t improve, any chance you can ban some of these posters. I wouldn\'t lose any sleep, nor would many others here.



-Bull

[TGJB]

What I would prefer to do is to just delete individual posts, and I have done some of that already. Banning is reserved for continued bad behavior, and boring self indulgence does not rise to that level.

CTC and CH-- I appreciate that you like our figures, but you have to cut down on quantity, and keep the general (non TG) posts to a minimum. Once per subject is enough.