Turf Figures on Dirt

TGJB,

Do you (or anyone else) have any insights into how to deal with races where one or more starters only has turf figures and today\'s race is on dirt?

Todays 9th race at Saratoga is one example.

The 7 and 9 both had good recent form, but one had been running on dirt and the other turf. Today\'s race was on dirt. They both ran very well.

The situation comes up most often in \"off the turf\" races, but it does come up at other times also. If there\'s a full record for both surfaces, you can often make an educated guess as to where the horse is and how he will run, but if not it\'s a major problem.

Just from experience, it seems to me that horses that earned good figures on turf do better when switched to dirt than the other way around (pedigree \"not\" considered). I would guess that you should have noticed some things as a result of making figures for both grass and dirt for this long.  Anything to contribute?

[kev]

My insight is I don\'t play the race.

[marcus]

My feeling contrary ,I\'m looking for a bounce when a horse coming over from turf to the harder - less forgiving surface on dirt , Pattern , trainer angles , breeding , + other\'s factors of course are all taken into account . I suppose w/ a situation where there is a surface switch involving multiple runners without much information  to go on and there are too many unknowns , it might be more interesting from a handicapping point of view than it is from the standpoint of a wagering oppertunity - unless of course you can get your price ...