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Bally Ache · March 26, 2005, 02:38:03 PM

I hate to be the kind of horseplayer who blames the jockey when he loses, but I\'d really rather not see Norberto Arroyo on any horses I like for a while.

Michael D. · March 26, 2005, 02:52:01 PM

bally,
haha.... arroyo can do some strange things on the track. unusual move there. the horse just stopped, ran the final eighth in about 14 seconds...... pletcher\'s horse has some serious stamina influences on the dam side. given the collapse, he probably looked better than he is, but he is a nice horse. too tough for me though. i couldn\'t separate the top five.

.......

sadlers wells, lyphard, and vaguely noble on the bottom side of FA\'s pedigree. do we have another funny cide? ...... probably not.

Post Edited (03-26-05 18:11)

davidrex · March 26, 2005, 02:59:18 PM

loved the way the jock got 9 hoss to rail in back stretch.....can you rate such a litely raced steed? dont know internal fractions ...can only observe his finish in conjunction w/baileys ride on seasoned hoss w/jerrys exp. would this horse have collapsed no matter how he was ridden?....yes he my key...yes everyone has stated on tv about premature move,but that was one dead animal in mid stretch.is he bred to go a distance...this is the price i was willing to pay when betting 3rd lifetime in a big race

asfufh · March 26, 2005, 03:00:10 PM

HP was the only one who doped this out--nice work...hope you had it loaded.

Michael D. · March 26, 2005, 03:17:39 PM

think the \"other figure makers\" got wild desert\'s last # correct? too early to tell i guess. we will know a lot more after the fla derby next week.

TGJB · March 26, 2005, 03:51:22 PM

Michael-- First of all, this was an off track, and we don\'t know what he ran today yet. The FOY day the track was changing quite a bit, but I would be pretty surprised if I got it wrong-- it wasn\'t a tough call. We\'ll see what numbers they all run as they come back.

Tell you what, though. Between Dubai and this one I\'m liking my field bet more and more. Scipion is down, Proud Accolade etc.-- if they get 20, I\'m guessing I have 10.

Michael D. · March 26, 2005, 03:59:48 PM

yea, i kind of like your field bet as well. but as i said, we will know a lot more after HF, bandini, and noble causeway run next week. my guess is that one of those three will emerge as the derby favorite (and i\'m starting to think it\'s not the one that i have).

TGJB · March 26, 2005, 04:08:08 PM

MD-- If you mean favored in the betting, I would be shocked if the Fla Derby winner is favored. Blue Grass will be the big-time (and big name) prep, and if SC beats the colts at SA she\'ll be shorter too.

John T-- I had a very interesting conversation with someone in a position to do something yesterday. Help may be on the way, at least in California, although my guess is it would be 3 months or so before it makes a difference.

JimP · March 26, 2005, 05:38:14 PM

Check the charts on races 7, 8, and 9. Amazing similarity.

richiebee · March 26, 2005, 07:31:18 PM

Bally Ache:

I\'d rather hear from someone who blames the jockey when a horse loses than hear from someone who credits the vet when a horse wins.

You might not have to worry too much about seeing Norberto on horses you bet on. He has at least 20, and maybe 30, days of suspension pending for three identical infractions. In each case, he bore out severely in the stretch at AQ, resulting in a DQ.

It doesn\'t seem like he can finish strongly AND ride a straight course.

As anyone who has read previous posts from this corner knows, I am not a huge Ken Ramsey fan, but I was happy for him today, hanging out with all those Sheikhs.

Post Edited (03-26-05 22:33)

Bally Ache · March 27, 2005, 04:21:30 AM

I had a lot of tough beats yesterday. The two that gall me are the Bourbonette & Rushaway.

Just take a good look at the horse that finished second in the Bourbonette and then look at the horse that won the Rushaway.

They cost me a lot of money and I don\'t think, objectively, you could bet either horse with confederate money.

gvido · March 28, 2005, 10:04:28 PM

Author: richiebee
Date: 03-26-05 22:31

\"You might not have to worry too much about seeing Norberto on horses you bet on. He has at least 20, and maybe 30, days of suspension pending for three identical infractions. In each case, he bore out severely in the stretch at AQ, resulting in a DQ.\"

I wouldn\'t be surprised if some of those rides weren\'t done intentionally, to DQ his mount. I\'ve seen him take a quick looks and continue the whip knowing the action will affect the outcome. It wouldn\'t surprise me if someday he\'s indicted for race fixing....

big ant · March 30, 2005, 10:48:27 AM

It wouldn\'t surprise me if several of the riders @the Big A were suspended. There is alot of funny business going on there.Norberto is one of several i think are screwing around, i especially like when he circles to the top looms giant in the lane ,then he just stops riding.Bridgmahon and Bejerano are mechanics, they make it look real good.I had Bejerano in a turf race in November he made the lead 4w and loomed large ,then he actually waited and looked inside to Johnny V. When Johnny took the lead Bejerano started to hit his mount again and just missed what a great stiff job!!!! check out the race see the P.P\'s for Lukelynn the Reynolds horse that Bejerano rode that day

jbelfior · March 30, 2005, 12:43:08 PM

\"Poolstick cue\" Norberto?

Remember--this is the guy that nearly killed EVENING ATTIRE last year in the Mass Cap??

PS: For those of you wondering why I call him \"poolstick,\" it\'s because that\'s what he used several years ago to beat up someone in a pool room before being arrested. The guy must have been winning.

Good Luck,
Joe B.